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Discussion: Does anyone else hate financially stable individuals?
Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Does anyone else hate financially stable individuals?
I'm talking about those people brag about working 3 jobs or born rich. They always go out to eat and just travel everywhere they want to go following to then flaunt themselves on instagram with their purchases. They also have mac book pro's , brand shoes, brand clothing, iphones, they often go to starbucks, attend concerts, shop at whole foods and eat at panera bread. While im working my butt off at a dead beat minimum wage job.  I believe these people promote class warfare by igniting more fuel to the fire on such a sensitive subject.
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Nah. Actually I want to be like them.
Also nice swift edit. Don't think I didn't catch that.

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Y E S 
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You do realize half the people you're talking about are in the same position as you, and are working more than 3 jobs? Don't knock a person for working hard and purchasing things they want with their hard-earned money. If you're talking about people born into money and having wealthy parents, sure I'm envious of them - I'd love to live like that, but I'm not going to hate them and look down upon them because of their situation.
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ask tweety 4 ha royalties

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I'd rather not spend my time being envious of people doing well. I aspire to be that after I graduate.
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you can do all those things but you need to be vigilant about it. although being from a place with low-value currency i do sympathize. i'm trying to be smarter with my money now. you're still young, if you're smart about how you treat your finances now you can have lots of money to live that lifestyle in the future.
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Sis a lot of these people have their own hassles too. Hell, I'm not sure it's correct for me to say "these people" and "their." I'm also part of these people...See, there are times when I feel settled and happy -- pleasured. I'm with my friends at Starbucks (dare I say) and I enjoy their company, my company.
There are other times when I am repulsed by mainstream food ideologies, mainstream ways of being in relation, mainstream stuff. In these moments I am not stable -- unsettled. So, I am fleeting across categories. One minute I am well off; the next I am unhappy, indeed in distress. I live on a spectrum or continuum of things. I really don't think I belong on an either/or or rigid, stability/unstability distinction. I think people are too complex to live on, in, and within binaries. I know that this is a generalization (a very privileged one at that -- I'm in my "happy" mood), but most people live in grey areas. I really don't think people can live in the standard, or live up to it perfectly, because the standard is always changing. It's only fleeting.
Again my generalization is not meant to usurp people's power and vitality. Rather, it is to highlight the collectivity across different people, different species -- in short, different differences! For me the world, whatever this is, is constantly in flux...
Fluid
Fomenting
Forming
Becoming
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Hmm, you better work bitch
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Uhhh, you can do all of that without being "super rich" or working three jobs.
Budget when you're able to, cook whenever possible, and you too can wear nice things, have an iPhone (which really isn't a luxury anymore), have a macbook pro, and eat at Panera.
Whole foods isn't super pricey if you shop smart.
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Originally posted by lipstick lesbian
Sis a lot of these people have their own hassles too. Hell, I'm not sure it's correct for me to say "these people" and "their." I'm also part of these people...See, there are times when I feel settled and happy -- pleasured. I'm with my friends at Starbucks (dare I say) and I enjoy their company, my company.
There are other times when I am repulsed by mainstream food ideologies, mainstream ways of being in relation, mainstream stuff. In these moments I am not stable -- unsettled. So, I am fleeting across categories. One minute I am well off; the next I am unhappy, indeed in distress. I live on a spectrum or continuum of things. I really don't think I belong on an either/or or rigid, stability/unstability distinction. I think people are too complex to live on, in, and within binaries. I know that this is a generalization (a very privileged one at that -- I'm in my "happy" mood), but most people live in grey areas. I really don't think people can live in the standard, or live up to it perfectly, because the standard is always changing. It's only fleeting.
Again my generalization is not meant to usurp people's power and vitality. Rather, it is to highlight the collectivity across different people, different species -- in short, different differences! For me the world, whatever this is, is constantly in flux...
Fluid
Fomenting
Forming
Becoming
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Not you saying mainstream food ideology is trash when capitalism revolves around mainstream business marketing  your whole posts seems very backwards to me sis 
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A few Youtubers come to mind.
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Originally posted by bajaboy07
Not you saying mainstream food ideology is trash when capitalism revolves around mainstream business marketing  your whole posts seems very backwards to me sis 
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How??? Your original title asked whether I hated "stable" individuals. What does that even mean?
First, let me tell ya: Why would I hate someone for their way of being and life? Surely my anger, if I have any, should be directed not so much at them as people, as their modes of life. I really don't think it's fair to "hate" people for their ways of life. I should be hating the conditions and precondictions that lead 1 to produce my hatred. For me people who warrant my hate, again whatever this even means, have underlying things that make me angry: these r the things that direct my anger, so my anger goes there, not on people's faces and bodies.
Second, I'm talking about mainstream food relations 2 give an example of my fleeting across categories. It's unfair that you bash me and my ideas. I am sensing an attack on my way of being n person, and I don't think it's fair. It's unjust. I think u misunderstood my post, or/and did not get the message I was tryin 2 convey. By liking capitalism in some instances (even "like" is a strong word), I am ready 2 bend and go out of shape to spend time with my friends, in the knowledge of capitalism oppressing me and exploiting me by having disposessed my person, people, and land. By disliking it, I am able to identify "mainstream food ideologies," for example. I am able to identify -- mark and name -- ways of being and things that cause my feelings of uneasiness. Sometimes I like capitalism; other times I don't like it.
How is this stance and view backwards? It seems that ur judging my post and person based on ur perspective and position. It ain't fair that you are using ur lens 2 view and judge me. What happens if u use a lens that's not-yours? What happens when u use a lens that is, say, anti-capitalist? Is ur original issue located in this value? What is ur point?
Why judge me? Are my ideas the culprit?
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Being mad wont make you less broke, just keep working and save your money.
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I don't know, I just want money

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Places like Whole Foods, depending on what you buy, have the same prices (sometimes less) than a "lower level" grocery store. Anyone can shop there as long as they're careful and check the prices.
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Originally posted by St. Charles
ask tweety 4 ha royalties

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Originally posted by bajaboy07
I'm talking about those people brag about working 3 jobs or born rich.
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I understand your envy of those who are born into wealth, but your logic is flawed.
Most people don't work 3 jobs by choice; they do it out of necessity because they can't afford to live otherwise.
I'm sorry to say that the difference between someone working 3 minimum-wage jobs vs. you working 1 minimum-wage job is that they're hustling, and you're not.
Don't knock people for putting in the work to pay their bills and lifestyles.
Also, those who flaunt their wealth on social media are dicks and/or unhappy on the inside.
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Originally posted by lipstick lesbian
How??? Your original title asked whether I hated "stable" individuals. What does that even mean?
First, let me tell ya: Why would I hate someone for their way of being and life? Surely my anger, if I have any, should be directed not so much at them as people, as their modes of life. I really don't think it's fair to "hate" people for their ways of life. I should be hating the conditions and precondictions that lead 1 to produce my hatred. For me people who warrant my hate, again whatever this even means, have underlying things that make me angry: these r the things that direct my anger, so my anger goes there, not on people's faces and bodies.
Second, I'm talking about mainstream food relations 2 give an example of my fleeting across categories. It's unfair that you bash me and my ideas. I am sensing an attack on my way of being n person, and I don't think it's fair. It's unjust. I think u misunderstood my post, or/and did not get the message I was tryin 2 convey. By liking capitalism in some instances (even "like" is a strong word), I am ready 2 bend and go out of shape to spend time with my friends, in the knowledge of capitalism oppressing me and exploiting me by having disposessed my person, people, and land. By disliking it, I am able to identify "mainstream food ideologies," for example. I am able to identify -- mark and name -- ways of being and things that cause my feelings of uneasiness. Sometimes I like capitalism; other times I don't like it.
How is this stance and view backwards? It seems that ur judging my post and person based on ur perspective and position. It ain't fair that you are using ur lens 2 view and judge me. What happens if u use a lens that's not-yours? What happens when u use a lens that is, say, anti-capitalist? Is ur original issue located in this value? What is ur point?
Why judge me? Are my ideas the culprit?
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I honestly don't hate peoples way of living. I just hate the modern culture that we live in that promotes class warfare on the poor by getting access and having a foot out the door than a modern day low class citizen can have. I don't think its any fair game for someone to be privileged to buy out a whole theme park just because they have money.
Heck there is no problem on you enjoying you're time with friends. When you enter a business who profits off child slave labor from half across the world just for the sake of coffee beans and then flaunting your outrages support of slave labor with a coffee cup who has a stolen copyrighted image of an Indonesian woman right across it is when we have a problem. That is the one problem that the upper echelon have. You think its an easy life here on earth but the rest of us are suffering. We are literally working our butts off night and day to earn a living. Think about that the next time you enjoy your next cup of starbucks coffee.
I'm also an individual who doesn't view the world with lens in 1rst person. I view the world in 3rd, 2nd and 1rst person. I see when injustice is being served with a hot plate a mile away.
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Originally posted by bajaboy07
I honestly don't hate peoples way of living. I just hate the modern culture that we live in that promotes class warfare on the poor by getting access and having a foot out the door than a modern day low class citizen can have. I don't think its any fair game for someone to be privileged to buy out a whole theme park just because they have money.
Heck there is no problem on you enjoying you're time with friends. When you enter a business who profits off child slave labor from half across the world just for the sake of coffee beans and then flaunting your outrages support of slave labor with a coffee cup who has a stolen copyrighted image of an Indonesian woman right across it is when we have a problem. That is the one problem that the upper echelon have. You think its an easy life here on earth but the rest of us are suffering. We are literally working our butts off night and day to earn a living. Think about that the next time you enjoy your next cup of starbucks coffee.
I'm also an individual who doesn't view the world with lens in 1rst person. I view the world in 3rd, 2nd and 1rst person. I see when injustice is being served with a hot plate a mile away.
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Sis, I think i understand how your back has been used to service the minds and bodies of upper echelon people. I think I understand ur "hate" and bad feelings and mixed emotions involved in ur situation. What I don't like is how I feel that ur essentializing me and my experiences and those of others.
For example, u seem to imply or suggest that people have to be on either side of the coin: oppressor OR oppressed. What happens when people are BOTH at the same time? 4 example, I am of colour but I pass as white. I identify as a disabled person because I have anxiety and suffer from perfectionism. I also am sexually flexible, fluid, and open to multiple genders and sexes. I am ageist, in that that I am sacred of aging, even if I know and sense that age is a construct. I can't really help it but switch my modes of thinking, but I am working on it. I am trying to de-oppress myself.
My point is that I have all of these layers on and in me. They ain't natural, for the most part; they've been imposed and inscribed upon my body by medical establishments, schooling and education systems, and, above all, the white, supremacist, capitalist partriarchy.
Keep in mind that this multifaceted partriarchy is also ableist, fatphobic, transphobic, homophobic, etc. -- I am just simplifying my situation and that of others like me.
Why essentalize me? There are times when I will be a victim, too -- being mocked at for not following normative masculine norms. For example, I can get aggressed in Starbucks or on the street for not "lifting," whatever this means, and having a body that is gearing more on the feminine-looks side. I can get bashed. I can get brutalized. I live in this terror, and this terror comes from my marginalized positions (e.g. disabled and nonnormatively masculine.) Here I'm on the lower echelon.
When I'm on the HIGHER echelons, I am, say, in a medical practitioner's office. In Canada, I have "health care"; I can be treated for many things that can be treated. Don't get me wrong -- I have mixed feelings (too) about the medical establishment, as mentioned. I dislike how medicine pathologizes me for, say, my nonnormative gender, (fleeting) flu, perhaps a broken bone? Medicine puts the blame on me and wants to cure me. Who says my injuries and illnesses are not also caused by the environment? What would happen if the environment were more friendly, in terms of preventing illness and bad health?
What do illness and "bad health" even mean? It seems that normative people, as this normativity is constantly changing, wants people to be "fit," "healthy," able-bodied. But this want, I think, is a form of biopower, where the State -- normative ideas and people in power, as these are constantly changing -- prevents and forecloses the possibility of, say, finding empowerment in diverse sexualities, diverse (dis)abilities, diverse embodiments. There is creativity in these alternative, different ways of being. But the State, and how the State is embodied in people. don't really see this. Power is not always visible and clear-cut. It can be tricky.
My point is that people are constantly moving and switching positions. Sometimes folk are going to be in advantageous, beneficial positions; other times these positionalities will shift and cause a raucous -- indeed a movement -- in people's power positions. A mode of reasoning that is attuned to tis change and fleetingness, I think, is required to think and act critically about capitalist status quos. For me, a perspective that is open to different ways of being, dialogue, and unusual and unexpected relations, can open up the space and time for discussions about anti-capitalist ventures. Right now, if we're using a logic of either/or, binary-thinking, I am sorry but I am feeling left out. I am a hybrid, and my hybridity must be accommodated by a less rigid, more flexible way of understanding and approach.
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