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Discussion: Talking about Iggy to White people?
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Talking about Iggy to White people?
How to talk to white people about Iggy Azalea
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First thing’s first: Iggy isn’t the realest.
[...] But it seems as though every time conversations crop up about Iggy Azalea, Macklemore, or even Robin Thicke’s appropriating ways, the vocal critics get panned—mainly by white people—as a horde of racists for “attacking” their participation in black artforms, no matter how intrinsically rooted they are to black experiences.
But, more often than not, the conversation delves into a minefield of these potential impasses:
1. “So what if they rap or sing like black people?”[...] Even though Macklemore arguably uses and abuses the white privilege he’s fully aware of having within hip-hop and popular music, he at least rhymes using the vocal dynamics derived from his lived reality. Iggy Azalea’s natural speaking voice is actually the sugary-sweet, rural Australian accent she grew up with—not the grungy, Southern “blaccent” she adopts for the sake of rapping.
2. “You’re just hating on them because they’re more successful.”[...] But fans should instead ask about and, eventually, acknowledge the conditions that allow white rappers like Iggy Azalea to reach such stratospheric levels of popularity. More specifically, Iggy Azalea’s public image merits examination as one that mainstream white American audiences consume voraciously at the expense and exclusion of her black counterparts. She makes money and breaks records, largely in part, because she’s a blonde, white, foreign woman who’s doing the new “hip” thing, even if her act may be a bit recycled.
3. “You’re racist for suggesting that white people can’t participate in rap.”Sure, she can. However, there’s a difference between appreciating an artform and adding to its richness and appropriating a minstrel-like caricature that’s composed of various tropes. [...] 4. “But they had help from a black artist, so that gives them credibility.”T.I. deserves all the credit for mentoring Iggy, but that’s not where his culpability ends. [...]
5. “Black people should be flattered that someone’s singing and appreciates their music.”The success and vitality of black-created genres doesn’t depend on white people performing the music, especially when it’s been pillaged and stolen for decades. As noted in in considerable detail over at Racialicious, various white icons and their hits—including Elvis Presley’s “Hound Dog”, Madonna’s “Vogue” and, yes, “We Can’t Stop” by Miley Cyrus, to name a few—all are culprits. Despite the history cultural theft, black artists like Aretha Franklin, Michael Jackson and Jay-Z have smashed Billboard records, sold out concert venues worldwide and influencing many white artists who acknowledge and truly appreciate the genres—artists like Adele, Duffy and Sam Smith.
If nothing else, at least their voices and lyrics are theirs.
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I had to cut out a lot, so read the full here.
Interesting! There are definitely things I agree and disagree with in this article.
Thoughts?
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Iggy Azalea’s natural speaking voice is actually the sugary-sweet, rural Australian accent she grew up with—not the grungy, Southern “blaccent” she adopts for the sake of rapping.
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people have got to get over it already
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She definitely appropriates, especially seeing as people have digged up her racist tweets where she is less than nice about other races.
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i would love for someone here to actually elaborate on why Iggy's accent is problematic aside from the fact that it sounds forced and annoying to listen to? Iggy probably never had australian rappers to listen to and look up to when she was starting to rap and if southern hip hop is the music she grew up listening to and thats how she wants to rap/thats the style that inspires her, then i dont see the issue
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I feel bad for her, the odds really were stacked up against her as a white woman trying to do her thing in the world of rap. I know that statement seems very odd considering it's usually the other way around with white privilege, but this is a unique circumstance. I didn't think ANYONE would take her seriously, I thought she would be a "buzzed about artist" forever, but she really put in her work and struggled until her pay off. She deserves her success.
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Originally posted by Mrs. Aaron Paul
i would love for someone here to actually elaborate on why Iggy's accent is problematic aside from the fact that it sounds forced and annoying to listen to? Iggy probably never had australian rappers to listen to and look up to when she was starting to rap and if southern hip hop is the music she grew up listening to and thats how she wants to rap/thats the style that inspires her, then i dont see the issue
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exactly the iggy haters are TIIIIIIIIIIIRED
so i guess Nicki is racist too for her Barbie/ Martha personas???
mess at a mod making this
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Originally posted by VyktorJonas
people have got to get over it already
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+1
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Lol. I just don't know what to say about this.
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She makes money and breaks records, largely in part, because she’s a blonde, white, foreign woman who’s doing the new “hip” thing,
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This is so ignorant, labels told her for years that every adjective in this sentence worked against her as a rapper trying to be taken seriously. And she didn't just jump on a bandwagon, she moved as a teenager and dedicated her life to this craft for upwards of a decade, but these people want to minimize all that and attribute her success to her skin colour as if white female rappers have just been falling out of the sky since the turn of the century.
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So a black singing voice would be JT, Adele, etc.? Correct?
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Originally posted by Mrs. Aaron Paul
i would love for someone here to actually elaborate on why Iggy's accent is problematic aside from the fact that it sounds forced and annoying to listen to? Iggy probably never had australian rappers to listen to and look up to when she was starting to rap and if southern hip hop is the music she grew up listening to and thats how she wants to rap/thats the style that inspires her, then i dont see the issue
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This is the full section from the article:
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Contrary to most media narratives, black people don’t all speak the same way. Our sayings, dialects, and even vocal dynamics may bear common roots, but are heavily influenced by life experiences, education and regional differences. Even in hip-hop, artists like Trina, Eve and Da Brat have exhibited a variety styles and flow. .
Even though Macklemore arguably uses and abuses the white privilege he’s fully aware of having within hip-hop and popular music, he at rhymes using the vocal dynamics derived from his lived reality. Iggy Azalea’s natural speaking voice is actually the sugary-sweet, rural Australian accent she grew up with—not the grungy, Southern “blaccent” she adopts for the sake of rapping.
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And if you want more, here's a whole article about it:
http://www.forcesofgeek.com/2014/06/...funk.html#more
Personally, I don't have a problem with the way Iggy raps, but I do definitely think the points people make against it are very much valid.
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Lol. I just don't know what to say about this.
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Say anything you want. You won't get warned.
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First thing’s first: Iggy isn’t the realest.
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Originally posted by Eaten By Lions
I feel bad for her, the odds really were stacked up against her as a white woman trying to do her thing in the world of rap. I know that statement seems very odd considering it's usually the other way around with white privilege, but this is a unique circumstance. I didn't think ANYONE would take her seriously, I thought she would be a "buzzed about artist" forever, but she really put in her work and struggled until her pay off. She deserves her success.
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This. People think she went straight to the top because she's a white woman, but she actually had a lot more to prove and more hoops to jump through because of it.
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Originally posted by Dollas n Diamonds
exactly the iggy haters are TIIIIIIIIIIIRED
so i guess Nicki is racist too for her Barbie/ Martha personas???
mess at a mod making this
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Mess at people crying foul every time someone expresses a hard critique aside from singing an artist praises. Art is subjective. Don't like the discussion, remove yourself.
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Agree with 85% of it tbh.
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Hm. Let me read this after 4th of July Jam.
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