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Discussion: Does flopping prevent singers from becoming Legends?
Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Does flopping prevent singers from becoming Legends?
Artists like Christina Aguilera, and Mariah Carey and many others have been under performing lately.
Does that mean they are not legends? Give your opinion!
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Member Since: 4/22/2012
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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If they started underperforming after they've built up their career (hence why they would be called a legend) then the title can't be revoked
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Member Since: 11/25/2008
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You put 2 legends down, and then Avril? What's the deal op? Anyways X, and M can flop all they want, but those legendary voices will keep them legends forever.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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No. Any success is good success. Once you're established, even minor successes are just a chance to inflate already huge sales numbers.
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Member Since: 8/19/2011
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Quote:
Originally posted by Eternium
No. Any success is good success. Once you're established, even minor successes are just a chance to inflate already huge sales numbers.
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This, but only if the artist is still respected.
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Member Since: 3/1/2014
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Avril and Xtina were never legends 
Mariah on the hand will always be legend, even with her recent flops, just like Madonna is still a legend despite MDNA flopping 
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Member Since: 5/7/2011
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If you're starting to struggle within your first decade or so then it pretty much ruins your chances of being considered a "legend" unless you somehow make a miraculous comeback, mainly because if you're struggling that early on how are people meant to remember you 20 years later? But for stars like Mariah she can fail to sell a single copy of her next album, that doesn't change the fact that her legacy is secured.
You need to be somewhat of a Legend prior to your flop before you can retain that title afterwards, and for that title you need a long career.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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No, an artist who's never had a bump on the road or underperformance probably doesn't exist. "Flopping" then recovering, shows that they truly are legends who can't be stopped.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Iman
Avril and Xtina were never legends
Mariah on the hand will always be legend, even with her recent flops, just like Madonna is still a legend despite MDNA flopping |
+1
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Member Since: 12/23/2011
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There's only one legend in the OP. But to answer your question, no, obviously not. Everybody peaks.
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Member Since: 5/2/2012
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Depends on the circumstances, what type of artist they are/career they had/have. For mainstream artists, commercial success is a major factor in legacy, but losing that power after a long term decade+ legacy is established doesn't matter. Like, who cares if you're no longer selling after 8-10 successful to massive albums? No one stays on top forever, but if you can only hold peoples' interest for 3-4 albums and then nosedive (without recovering), you probably won't have the long term presence and relevance needed to have what one would consider enough to be a legendary mainstream career. Mainstream/pop culture legends are typically cultural fixtures with at least 10+ years of notable success. Of course other factors play in as well like impact, influence, acclaim/awards etc. but typically those things become interconnected anyway.
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Member Since: 3/2/2014
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Being a "legend" isn't defined solely by sales, so no.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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In the case of Xtina yes
Mariah can flop as much as she'd like at this point in her career
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ascension
Depends on the circumstances, what type of artist they are/career they had/have. For mainstream artists, commercial success is a major factor in legacy, but losing that power after a long term decade+ legacy is established doesn't matter. Like, who cares if you're no longer selling after 8-10 massive albums? No one stays on top forever, but if you can only hold peoples' interest for 3-4 albums and then nosedive, you probably won't have the long term presence and relevance needed to have what one would consider enough to be a legendary mainstream career. Mainstream/pop culture legends are typically cultural fixtures with at least 10+ years of notable success. Of course other factors play in as well like impact, influence, acclaim/awards etc. but typically those things become interconnected anyway.
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Exactly 
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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MDNA flopped, but I doubt anyone would discount Madge as a legend.
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Member Since: 11/9/2011
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Nope. Bey flopped and came back stronger than ever. She's still a future legend.
Same thing with gags
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Member Since: 8/25/2012
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ascension
Depends on the circumstances, what type of artist they are/career they had/have. For mainstream artists, commercial success is a major factor in legacy, but losing that power after a long term decade+ legacy is established doesn't matter. Like, who cares if you're no longer selling after 8-10 successful to massive albums? No one stays on top forever, but if you can only hold peoples' interest for 3-4 albums and then nosedive (without recovering), you probably won't have the long term presence and relevance needed to have what one would consider enough to be a legendary mainstream career. Mainstream/pop culture legends are typically cultural fixtures with at least 10+ years of notable success. Of course other factors play in as well like impact, influence, acclaim/awards etc. but typically those things become interconnected anyway.
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/end thread tbh
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Member Since: 1/11/2012
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No. Artists are not remembered for their flops. Michael, Whitney, Cher, Aretha… they've all had flop albums. Doesn't diminish their legacy.
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