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Celeb News: TIME & HuffPost drag Emma Watson's Campaign
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TIME & HuffPost drag Emma Watson's Campaign
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Until feminism recognizes discrimination against men, the movement for gender equality will be incomplete.
Take one of the men’s issues Watson mentioned in her speech: seeing her divorced father’s role as a parent “valued less by society” than her mother’s. It is true that in the 1970s and 1980s, feminist challenges to discriminatory, sex-specific laws helped end formal preferences for mothers in child custody matters. But as fathers began to fight against more covert anti-male biases in the court system, most feminists sided with mothers.
Watson deserves credit for wanting to end the idea that “fighting for women’s rights [is] synonymous with man-hating.” But she cannot do that if she treats such notions only as unfair stereotypes. How about addressing this message to feminists who complain about being “asked to modify our language so we don’t hurt men’s feelings” when talking about misogyny — for instance, not to generalize about all men as oppressors? Or to those who argue that “Kill all men” mugs and “I bathe in male tears” T-shirts are a great way to celebrate women’s empowerment and separate the “cool dudes” who get the joke from the “dumb bros”? Or to those who accuse a feminist woman of “victim-blaming” for defending her son against a sexual assault accusation — even one of which he is eventually cleared?
Men must, indeed, “feel welcome to participate in the conversation” about gender issues. But very few will do so if that “conversation” amounts to being told to “shut up and listen” while women talk about the horrible things men do to women, and being labeled a misogynist for daring to point out that bad things happen to men too and that women are not always innocent victims in gender conflicts. A real conversation must let men talk not only about feminist-approved topics such as gender stereotypes that keep them from expressing their feelings, but about more controversial concerns: wrongful accusations of rape; sexual harassment policies that selectively penalize men for innocuous banter; lack of options to avoid unwanted parenthood once conception has occurred. Such a conversation would also acknowledge that pressures on men to be successful come not only from “the patriarchy” but, often, from women as well. And it would include an honest discussion of parenthood, including many women’s reluctance to give up or share the primary caregiver role.
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Many men who consider themselves vocal advocates for feminism have also had a real problem with talking over the women they're supposed to be supporting. The space of male allies in feminism is a tenuous one, and one that is only successful when male allies use their platforms and privilege to amplify the voices of women, trans men, and nonbinary people. Instead of "He For She," perhaps the campaign should have been branded "Stand With Women," to imply that men would be standing beside women instead of standing up for them. Women don't need to be rescued, whether it's by men, Emma Watson, or the United Nations. Positioning men as the saviors of oppressed women isn't productive, and devalues the work that feminists have been doing for decades.
Paying lip service to feminist ideas without actually doing any work to undo oppression isn't feminist, and it certainly isn't new. Every few months, it seems as if the media identifies an actress as the new young feminist darling, and Emma Watson is only the latest in the procession. Emma Watson may be making feminism more palatable for people who aren't comfortable with in-your-face confrontations from less camera-friendly feminists, but she isn't doing anything new or groundbreaking.
And it's unfortunate that Emma Watson is selling the same boring, one-dimensional feminism that's existed since the first hypothetical bra was burned instead of really changing it. She doesn't deserve to have her privacy and body threatened by terrible internet trolls, but she also probably hasn't earned her place as a defining feminist of her generation. If Emma Watson really wanted to be a "game changer," she should have handed the microphone to Laverne Cox or Janet Mock to add some desperately needed diversity to the U.S.'s contingent of U.N. Goodwill Ambassadors.
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what exactly do they want her to do?
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Lord they do like to split hairs. Always got to find something to criticise and/or be offended by
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Until feminism recognizes discrimination against men
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I think the fact that she's a part of White Feminism™ and doesn't care much about WOC is more problematic than not caring about men but okay!
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People will literally find anything to complain about. I'm so very sick of reading all this social justice bull**** all over the internet, as these morons will literally never be pleased with anything. Yes, women face more issues than men do in society. Yes, there are certain qualities that men are not able to embrace without being made fun of. All Emma did was ask for everyone to get involved, and get rid of the stereotype that feminists want all men to die, etc. – and guess what? All this criticism against her is seriously making it seem like feminists are against men. I get that feminists feel like they shouldn't have to include men, but if these people are fighting to change how society views their women, how are they going to do that if they're shutting out half the people they're trying to affect? I hope that sentence made sense, I'm not really sure how to word my thoughts. But point being, feminists should try to include men in their fight – not because men face issues in society as well, but because we should all strive to be equal as humans. And I applaud Emma Watson for using her influence to get the word out.
Tumblr SJWs do nothing but sit at home on their computers and complain about issues to make themselves feel like they're contributing to society because they have nothing else to offer the world.
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*eye roll* Some people just want something to complain about. Her speech was fine, and as the article pointed out, she did mention how patriarchy hurts boys and men, as well.
No one expects this young woman to be a Gloria Steinem figure. But at least she's speaking out, and doing so in a respectable manner. The man who wrote this was probably just looking for a hit article.
*Edit* Oh, the writer is a woman? That makes it all the more confusing. I've learned that you have to ignore those types. Some people truly are NEVER satisfied.
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Women don't need to be rescued, whether it's by men, Emma Watson, or the United Nations. Positioning men as the saviors of oppressed women isn't productive, and devalues the work that feminists have been doing for decades.
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oh gotcha feminism was totally unnecessary guys everyone go home
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Originally posted by Jewfro
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And that's where I stopped reading. Now lemme make a swift exit.
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Don't come for queen Emma
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Originally posted by seanoh
People will literally find anything to complain about. I'm so very sick of reading all this social justice bull**** all over the internet, as these morons will literally never be pleased with anything. Yes, women face more issues than men do in society. Yes, there are certain qualities that men are not able to embrace without being made fun of. All Emma did was ask for everyone to get involved, and get rid of the stereotype that feminists want all men to die, etc. – and guess what? All this criticism against her is seriously making it seem like feminists are against men. I get that feminists feel like they shouldn't have to include men, but if these people are fighting to change how society views their women, how are they going to do that if they're shutting out half the people they're trying to affect? I hope that sentence made sense, I'm not really sure how to word my thoughts. But point being, feminists should try to include men in their fight – not because men face issues in society as well, but because we should all strive to be equal as humans. And I applaud Emma Watson for using her influence to get the word out.
Tumblr SJWs do nothing but sit at home on their computers and complain about issues to make themselves feel like they're contributing to society because they have nothing else to offer the world.
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Some idiot ALWAYS ends up saying "what about men!!!!111" whenever issues about women are brought up.
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Originally posted by Jewfro
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That whole TIME article is a disgrace. How do "kill all males" mugs and "I bathe in male tears" even begin to compare?
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This part of HuffPost's article could be debated:
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Instead of "He For She," perhaps the campaign should have been branded "Stand With Women," to imply that men would be standing beside women instead of standing up for them.
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I've seen other women saying the same thing on twitter and tumblr.
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Originally posted by RihannasVeryOwn
I think the fact that she's a part of White Feminism™ and doesn't care much about WOC is more problematic than not caring about men but okay!
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What makes you feel that she doesn't care about WOC? The fact that she may not have singled them out directly?
Are you, too, part of the Never-satisfied-club, like the author of this article?
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I didn't read it. I was too distracted by the perfection of her top's neckline in that photo
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The Time piece didn't lie though. It's less about Emma Watson specifically and more about why men are hesitant to embrace feminism. There are some pretty glaring double standards that need to be addressed and some outdated notions of masculinity that most women still expect men to abide by.
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Sorry Privileged White Ladies, But Emma Watson Isn't a 'Game Changer' for Feminism
by Amy McCarthy
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Give me a ****ing break
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Originally posted by seanoh
People will literally find anything to complain about. I'm so very sick of reading all this social justice bull**** all over the internet, as these morons will literally never be pleased with anything. Yes, women face more issues than men do in society. Yes, there are certain qualities that men are not able to embrace without being made fun of. All Emma did was ask for everyone to get involved, and get rid of the stereotype that feminists want all men to die, etc. – and guess what? All this criticism against her is seriously making it seem like feminists are against men. I get that feminists feel like they shouldn't have to include men, but if these people are fighting to change how society views their women, how are they going to do that if they're shutting out half the people they're trying to affect? I hope that sentence made sense, I'm not really sure how to word my thoughts. But point being, feminists should try to include men in their fight – not because men face issues in society as well, but because we should all strive to be equal as humans. And I applaud Emma Watson for using her influence to get the word out.
Tumblr SJWs do nothing but sit at home on their computers and complain about issues to make themselves feel like they're contributing to society because they have nothing else to offer the world.
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You seem angry? Why does it bother you so much if people from marginalised groups vent their feelings on the Internet? If you don't want to read it, you don't have to.
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The first one is written by a total kuntress and is a bunch of ridiculous ****ery, and I say that as a man.
As far as the second one, maybe feminism doesn't have anything shiny and new about it is because even in America women are still having to fight for THE SAME ****ING THINGS they were having to fight for at the beginning of the feminist movement.
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