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Celeb News: Ben Affleck gets heated in Islamophobia debate
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Ben Affleck gets heated in Islamophobia debate
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Nothing but the truth
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Show us ur dick again tbh
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he got clocked
Bill Maher and the guy sitting next to him
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Drag them Ben.
NaughtyDog, how exactly did he get "clocked?" You are sending major racism with this post.
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I like intelligent celebrities that aren't aftaid to speak up and not care what it does to them
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Ben didnt drag anyone all he did was act hysterical and shout down anyone who tried to speak
while Maher and Harris provided facts and argued that its not racism to criticize a religion for their barbaric logic
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That was so unprofessional of Ben. He was struggling to make a point and losing his composure in the process.
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Originally posted by NaughtyDog
BabyCantYouSee
Ben didnt drag anyone all he did was act hysterical and shout down anyone who tried to speak
while Maher and Harris provided facts and argued that its not racism to criticize a religion for their barbaric logic
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this. I agree with Ben's sentiment but I don't think he realized that Maher and Harris were criticizing Islam the religion, not muslims as people.
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Drag him Bill love bill
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Originally posted by NaughtyDog
BabyCantYouSee
Ben didnt drag anyone all he did was act hysterical and shout down anyone who tried to speak
while Maher and Harris provided facts and argued that its not racism to criticize a religion for their barbaric logic
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The religion of Islam's logic is no more "barbaric" than any other. Numerous Christian texts, leaders, and fields of thought have directly advocated forced conversion/murder of nonbelievers (Hello, Crusades!). Modern day Christians don't associate with those ideas, though, and wouldn't call someone who does a true Christian. Similarly, your average Muslim today would denounce the actions of people using outdated, violent schools of thought to justify religious extremism and terror.
Basically, I don't see why everyone is pointing fingers at Islam for being inherently violent when pretty much every other religion (save for the Buddhists, kinda) has similar origins. Modern day applications are what we should be discussing. If you were to debate Mormonism, you wouldn't bring up polygamy because it's been rejected by the vast majority of modern Mormons. This is the same thing.
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Originally posted by Citrus
The religion of Islam's logic is no more "barbaric" than any other. Numerous Christian texts, leaders, and fields of thought have directly advocated forced conversion/murder of nonbelievers (Hello, Crusades!). Modern day Christians don't associate with those ideas, though, and wouldn't call someone who does a true Christian. Similarly, your average Muslim today would denounce the actions of people using outdated, violent schools of thought to justify religious extremism and terror.
Basically, I don't see why everyone is pointing fingers at Islam for being inherently violent when pretty much every other religion (save for the Buddhists, kinda) has similar origins. Modern day applications are what we should be discussing. If you were to debate Mormonism, you wouldn't bring up polygamy because it's been rejected by the vast majority of modern Mormons. This is the same thing.
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Thank you.
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Originally posted by Harry
That was so unprofessional of Ben. He was struggling to make a point and losing his composure in the process.
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The difference between them and Ben is that Ben was speaking with good instincts and a positive heart.
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Originally posted by Citrus
The religion of Islam's logic is no more "barbaric" than any other. Numerous Christian texts, leaders, and fields of thought have directly advocated forced conversion/murder of nonbelievers (Hello, Crusades!). Modern day Christians don't associate with those ideas, though, and wouldn't call someone who does a true Christian. Similarly, your average Muslim today would denounce the actions of people using outdated, violent schools of thought to justify religious extremism and terror.
Basically, I don't see why everyone is pointing fingers at Islam for being inherently violent when pretty much every other religion (save for the Buddhists, kinda) has similar origins. Modern day applications are what we should be discussing. If you were to debate Mormonism, you wouldn't bring up polygamy because it's been rejected by the vast majority of modern Mormons. This is the same thing.
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Thanks.
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Originally posted by NaughtyDog
BabyCantYouSee
Ben didnt drag anyone all he did was act hysterical and shout down anyone who tried to speak
while Maher and Harris provided facts and argued that its not racism to criticize a religion for their barbaric logic
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Originally posted by Citrus
The religion of Islam's logic is no more "barbaric" than any other. Numerous Christian texts, leaders, and fields of thought have directly advocated forced conversion/murder of nonbelievers (Hello, Crusades!). Modern day Christians don't associate with those ideas, though, and wouldn't call someone who does a true Christian. Similarly, your average Muslim today would denounce the actions of people using outdated, violent schools of thought to justify religious extremism and terror.
Basically, I don't see why everyone is pointing fingers at Islam for being inherently violent when pretty much every other religion (save for the Buddhists, kinda) has similar origins. Modern day applications are what we should be discussing. If you were to debate Mormonism, you wouldn't bring up polygamy because it's been rejected by the vast majority of modern Mormons. This is the same thing.
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All religions are barbaric and the people in the video would rightfully tell you this so making a distinction between Islam and other notions is besides the point.
The only issue here is that people are not using their religions as a basis for violently suppressing people and causing harm like the culture's and governments where Islam is prominent
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It's just the outcome, when the inventor of a religion was a warlord, who took a bride by 6 years old and shagged her the first time at 9 years old and to think this is the rasūl Allāh, oh well.
But hey, don't get me started on Judaism or Christendom.
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Drag him Bill love bill
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Bill Maher is so f***ing self righteous, it's almost intolerable to watch him. I appreciate some of his passion, but he is SO intolerant of other opinions is aggravating. This is coming from a Liberal, as well.
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Originally posted by NaughtyDog
All religions are barbaric and the people in the video would rightfully tell you this so making a distinction between Islam and other notions is besides the point.
The only issue here is that people are not using their religions as a basis for violently suppressing people and causing harm like the culture's and governments where Islam is prominent
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How is it beside the point to cite other major world religions when discussing a major world religion?
Also, and correct me if I'm wrong, but is your second point essentially that there are no countries/groups using religion to justify oppression, murder, etc, besides Islam? In the modern day, of course. If so, let me try another example. Andrea Yates killed her children because she thought they weren't developing according to how her religion dictated. She identified as a Christian and used the threat of damnation as justification for her actions. Does that mean that there is something wrong with Christianity, because it was improperly used as a defense for something obscene? If I robbed a bank but said it was because I wanted to distribute the money to the poor, as Jesus advocates in the Bible (the giving part, not the robbbing!), would I be in the right?
That's the point I am trying to make.
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