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Discussion: Exploiting the Gay Community?
Member Since: 10/14/2010
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Exploiting the Gay Community?
How do you people determine this? Example: There's many homosexuals against Gaga. I dearly ask why? Why would anyone be against someone who is fighting for our rights? And yes I know Gaga is not the only activists out there, but just because someone is already fighting for our rights does not mean someone else can chip in.
I just feel people who hate on Gaga’s advocacy don’t get what advocacy even is. There’s no such thing as “bad” advocacy because when you fight for something you believe in, you’re doing a good thing, no matter what. You can try to spin Lady Gaga’s LGBT support any way you want, but the fact remains that she has went against everything people wanted her to do in the name of her LGBT fans.
When you hate on Gaga but defend Katy Perry, there’s something wrong with you and your perception of what you think reality is, is incredibly distorted.
I used Katy Perry as an example because Katy Perry can put out songs like “Ur So Gay” and “I Kissed A Girl” without being considered “exploitative” because she doesn’t try to be a gay activist (I remember her donating her video to the gays), but Gaga is exploiting the gays because she is trying to be a gay activist and a voice for her LGBT fans, even though her actions and philanthropy say and prove otherwise.
Thoughts on this matter?
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Member Since: 10/21/2005
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We hate their music/ego, not what they believe in? I give props to Lady Gaga and her fight for the community, but her as a musican, is ANNOYING.
I still haven't heard/downloaded "Born This Way" Maybe in a few months I'll finally listen to it.
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Member Since: 10/20/2010
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I used to feel this way about GaGa...it just seemed like she was doing too much with the whole gay thing. Like it wasn't genuine. However, after the release of BTW, I came to the same conclusion you are stating. Even if it is by chance, disingenuous, at least she is shedding light on the issues that plague our community. And who am I to demean lyrics or actions that may help someone else cope with their lifestyle.
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Member Since: 11/24/2009
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Gaga had the gays in the palm of her hand when she was telling them to Just Dance.
She didn't need to release BTW to earn their support. She already had it, easily.
By releasing BTW, she had a lot more to lose than gain.
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Member Since: 7/27/2004
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IDK I think she comes off forced, so it doesn't seem genuine. It's her claim to fame, much more than Haus of Gaga IMO. She knew she caught the gay community's interest and basically ran away with it. It also doesn't hurt that people thought she was a transsexual, so she was able to play along with that whole imagery.
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Member Since: 5/27/2010
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
Gaga had the gays in the palm of her hand when she was telling them to Just Dance.
She didn't need to release BTW to earn their support. She already had it, easily.
By releasing BTW, she had a lot more to lose than gain.
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Exactly. She could have secured support and then played that aspect down, but instead she's aggressively in-your-face about it.
If people think it's all about her using them for commercial success they are vastly overestimating their importance to mainstream success.
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
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Pop Stars needs Gay community... She's more Gay friendly than any other pop star, she knows it and she's using it...
There's nothing wrong with that, wasn't she Bisexual? It might not be as forced as it seems
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Member Since: 10/14/2010
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Originally posted by MrPeanut
Exactly. She could have secured support and then played that aspect down, but instead she's aggressively in-your-face about it.
If people think it's all about her using them for commercial success they are vastly overestimating their importance to mainstream success.
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Isn't that what most Gay Activists want? Be it put so IN YOUR FACE so people can realize the issues this backwards country still has?
One thing I don't understand is how one can use the Gay community as a way to get more uhm whats the word "popular" (I guess.) When more than half this country dislike/hate homosexuals.
Lets take Nicki Minaj as an example. She claimed she was bisexual when she was in fact never a bisexual. Here she goes and says this and that is offensive to the Gay community when this girl has Eminem use the word (I HATE to type it) "******" on her track how contradictory can she be? Is this the type of Gay--to mass media people want?
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Member Since: 11/11/2010
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Originally posted by Violet Skye
IDK I think she comes off forced, so it doesn't seem genuine. It's her claim to fame, much more than Haus of Gaga IMO. She knew she caught the gay community's interest and basically ran away with it. It also doesn't hurt that people thought she was a transsexual, so she was able to play along with that whole imagery.
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That basically sums up how I feel. I was one of the gays that supported her from day one, but I felt like it was forced after a couple of years and so I quit supporting her and her music. I don't dislike that she's trying to support gay rights, I just feel like she makes her whole career about the gays now. I don't know. I respect her and her stans though. No shade was intended.
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Member Since: 1/13/2010
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
Gaga had the gays in the palm of her hand when she was telling them to Just Dance.
She didn't need to release BTW to earn their support. She already had it, easily.
By releasing BTW, she had a lot more to lose than gain.
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Member Since: 6/5/2010
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Quote:
Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
Gaga had the gays in the palm of her hand when she was telling them to Just Dance.
She didn't need to release BTW to earn their support. She already had it, easily.
By releasing BTW, she had a lot more to lose than gain.
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This
And, even if she IS using anybody... it's for a good cause. It won't harm anyone.
I prefer Lady Gaga lying while supporting gay community than Katy Perry or Rihanna or any pop singer telling the truth but no doing nothing to help. (No shade)
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Member Since: 6/26/2010
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Originally posted by KatyVenezuela
There's nothing wrong with that, wasn't she Bisexual? It might not be as forced as it seems
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They all say that, and no, none of them is.
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Member Since: 11/3/2010
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As far as Gaga's whole activist thing, I dont mind it or particularly care about her doing it (or the issue shes fighting for very much for that matter), but for people who accuse her of "using" gays for popularity umm....I personally don't believe so although actions like this are definitely bound to get her some cool points in that community. Like I said though she could use gays or couldnt. IDC cause i like her regardless.
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Member Since: 8/2/2010
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Quote:
Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
Gaga had the gays in the palm of her hand when she was telling them to Just Dance.
She didn't need to release BTW to earn their support. She already had it, easily.
By releasing BTW, she had a lot more to lose than gain.
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I think this is pretty damning to any counter arguments.
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Member Since: 11/11/2010
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I'm gay and i don't like her for many reasons. I don't like her music number one, I also don't like the way she represents gays It's so dumbed down and stereotypical. It's not just her many gay icons are just too flamboyant and have no intellectual value to them. It's all pomp with no circumstance, it's not helping in the factor we need as a community.
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 9/9/2010
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Generally, anyone who has never seen GaGa in concert can't reliably comment on whether she's genuine or not. People jump to conclusions without putting in the time or effort to uncover the truth. I am not here for uneducated, impulsive, ignorant, and just plain naive assumptions.
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Member Since: 8/14/2007
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She's not fighting for our rights. She's fighting for her sales. Gays have disposable income that's why we're so obsessed with divas and can buy their stuff.
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Member Since: 10/8/2009
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I used to love her, and i still love her music, but i cant buy into her gimmicks anymore, but i respect her fight for tha gays.
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Member Since: 10/8/2009
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Originally posted by Alexz
She's not fighting for our rights.
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umm, what? she has LITERALLY fought for our rights, wtf are you getting at? Whether its indirectly for her sales or not, she still did it, and thats all that matters.
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Member Since: 6/5/2010
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Quote:
Originally posted by ExtraChapstick
Generally, anyone who has never seen GaGa in concert can't reliably comment on whether she's genuine or not. People jump to conclusions without putting in the time or effort to uncover the truth. I am not here for uneducated, impulsive, ignorant, and just plain naive assumptions.
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Your grammar...
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