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Discussion: Albums: Are Rihanna and Katy above Beyoncé and Gaga now?
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Albums: Are Rihanna and Katy above Beyoncé and Gaga now?
Rihanna and Katy have always been criticized by other fan-bases for (according to them) being unable to sell albums. Even though they have had best-selling albums in recent years, see Loud and Teenage Dream with sales above 6 million in both cases. Yet they are still discredited and reduced to singles artists, a group that includes the likes of Flo Rida, Pitbull and now Pharrell. Below are some stats that prove they are just as capable to sell the same amount of albums while still scoring hit singles (smashes, tbh) all around the world. Please, have in mind the specified albums were used in the comparison for being releases around the same time from other successful female acts.
SALES / WEEK 19*
Unapologetic | 64,000 | PRISM | 46,000 | BEYONCÉ | 25,000 | The Truth About Love | 59,000 | ARTPOP | N/A | Britney Jean | N/A |
ALBUMS TOTAL**
Unapologetic | 3.5 million (2.3 million, IFPI) | PRISM | 2.7 million (2.8 million, IFPI) | BEYONCÉ | 3.2 million (2.3 million, IFPI) | The Truth About Love | 5.5 million (2.6 million, IFPI) | ARTPOP | 1.7 million (2.3 million, IFPI) | Britney Jean | 0.5 million (N/A) |
It seems silly to call them singles artists when they are selling just as much, if not more than acts that have been credited as album sellers by the same fan-bases that discredit Rihanna and Katy.
So, will they stop being seen as singles artist now?
Discuss.
Notes:
* ARTPOP stopped charting in its 16th week with 22,000. Same applies to Britney Jean on its 5th week with 19,000.
** Sales figures are based on Mediatraffic and IFPI reports, if you have a more updated figure please post it in the comments section. IFPI sales are only from one report, so they don't represent their total sales.
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Katy currently does it well in both single and album sales and I think PRISM will end up selling 4M+.
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In b4 the clocking
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Katy is now an album and singles artisté. Rihanna will continue with her quick lil singles and hook girl status.
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Rihanna sells just as many albums as a major popstar should in the 2010's. They just want to discredit her for something since she out beats all the other girls in the single market.
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Neither are single artists, and I think Beyoncé is a bad example. You're comparing two artist who promoted their albums to high heavens to an artist who has done very little promo, two times since the album was released 5 months ago to be exact.
Maybe Taylor Swift or another artist consider an "album artist" who gave an equal amount of promo would have been a better choice.
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With PRISM, Katy is no longer just a single artist. Ugh, Gaga's numbers are so embarrassing compared to her contemporaries
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Rihanna is the definition of one. Katy was one but prism has been doing well and people actually know it exists.
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I've always said this. Idk bout Katy and her receipts but people act like Rihanna's album selling power is non-existing. Like the fact she consistenly sells at least 3 million WW (and let's not forget LOUD and GGGB that did even way better) is very good.
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Originally posted by RomanNavy
I've always said this. Idk bout Katy and her receipts but people act like Rihanna's album selling power is non-existing. Like the fact she consistenly sells at least 3 million WW (and let's not forget LOUD and GGGB that did even way better) is very good.
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Originally posted by -Alfie-
Katy is now an album and singles artisté. Rihanna will continue with her quick lil singles and hook girl status.
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Are you even a Katy stan? Rih has sold more albums than Katy.
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Originally posted by loveless
Neither are single artists, and I think Beyoncé is a bad example. You're comparing two artist who promoted their albums to high heavens to an artist who has done very little promo, two times since the album was released 5 months ago to be exact.
Maybe Taylor Swift or another artist consider an "album artist" who gave an equal amount of promo would have been a better choice.
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Why? She released her album around the same time. Promo means more than just televised performances. Maybe you are forgetting she performed at the Super Bowl which helped her to gain momentum and then when she released the album every single iTunes Store was impregnated with banners of it and all the media coverage she got for it made out for the "lack" of a single being released two months before. Not to mention, she is regarded as an album artist so the comparison seems fair. Also, her stans were claiming she didn't need promo based on her front loaded sales. Now she does? I am confused.
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Idk why people consider Rihanna a "singles artist", when she has shown that she can clearly sell very well if she actually kept her eras promoted past the 3rd single. Ignoring the 2 mixtapes, her sales iirc are:
1. Good Girl Gone Bad - 8.5-9 million copies (7 singles promoted)
2. Loud - 6.5-7 million copies (5 singles promoted)
3./4. Unapologetic - 3.5-4 million copies (2 singles promoted)
3./4. Talk That Talk - 3.5-4 million copies (2 singles promoted)
5. Rated R - 3-3.5 million copies (2 singles promoted)
If she promoted her eras normally, she would probably consistently land in the 4-7 million copies range. She has selling power.
Katy also shouldn't be labeled a "singles artist". I mean, some people might think that her singles success should bring more album sales, but she's doing better than almost everyone on the album sales front, so it's clearly not a problem.
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Originally posted by Rolland
Why? She released her album around the same time. Promo means more than just televised performances. Maybe you are forgetting she performed at the Super Bowl which helped her to gain momentum and then when she released the album every single iTunes Store was impregnated with banners of it and all the media coverage she got for it made out for the "lack" of a single being released two months before. Not to mention, she is regarded as an album artist so the comparison seems fair. Also, her stans were claiming she didn't need promo based on her front loaded sales. Now she does? I am confused.
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What material from The Visual album did Beyoncé perform at Super Bowl? How many media outlets are still reporting on her album? Beyoncé's album not only cost more than Rihanna's and Katy's, it didn't even receive an eighth of their promo. How is that a fair comparison? Also, Rihanna's album came out a year before every other album listed, that's not around the "same time". And what does the albums release date have to do with anything if you're going off their weekly sales anyway? Both Beyoncé and Britney should be excluded and replaced by Taylor, Pink or JT. Unless of course that goes against your not so hidden agenda.
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Singles driven artist is not a bad thing. It means that your more interested in scoring smash hits as oposed to a deep meaningful album. So yea katy and rihanna are "singles" artist who happen to sell really well with their albums. Rihanna has sold over 30 million albums btw! /endthread
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Originally posted by NEZ LUNAR
Singles driven artist is not a bad thing. It means that your more interested in scoring smash hits as oposed to a deep meaningful album. So yea katy and rihanna are "singles" artist who happen to sell really well with their albums. Rihanna has sold over 30 million albums btw! /endthread
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Yes. Also, the general public doesn't remember albums, it remembers smash hits. R&K win.
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Originally posted by loveless
What material from The Visual album did Beyoncé perform at Super Bowl? How many media outlets are still reporting on her album? Beyoncé's album not only cost more than Rihanna's and Katy's, it didn't even receive an eighth of their promo. How is that a fair comparison? Also, Rihanna's album came out a year before every other album listed, that's not around the "same time". And what does the albums release date have to do with anything if you're going off their weekly sales anyway? Both Beyoncé and Britney should be excluded and replaced by Taylor, Pink or JT. Unless of course that goes against your not so hidden agenda.
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Did you purposely avoid this part "she performed at the Super Bowl which helped her to gain momentum"? I never said she performed YONCÉ material at the SB. Hive seems to not understand how marketing works. That's Rihanna's latest album, what else could I have chosen, GGGB? It's common sense. Beyoncé, Britney and Gaga were chosen because they have been seen as album sellers, and her stans are the ones claiming Rihanna and Katy are singles artists. The whole point of the thread is to point out the hypocrisy and double standards of some ATRLers. I should add Pink tho; she hasn't done too much promo either so I don't see why it bothers you so much.
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