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Discussion: Is Nirvana the biggest act of the 90s?
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Originally posted by Miracle Whip
Nirvana are over sweetie.
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Check out their Vevo and Spotify stats, they are far more impressive than some others. Also, didn't Mariah's last album only sell like 200k worldwide? Why's that considering her peers Celine and Madonna can still sell a million?
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Originally posted by Soapp
Check out their Vevo and Spotify stats, they are far more impressive than some others. Also, didn't Mariah's last album only sell like 200k worldwide? Why's that considering her peers Celine and Madonna can still sell a million?
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This discussion is about Nirvana and Mariah not others, I might just have to report you for being off topic.
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This thread was such a kii, it reminds me of the Mariah vs Shakespeare thread last year
Mariah only wins this thread if we're talking about the biggest act commercially.
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I have read through a lot of posts here, and wanted to directly address many of them, especially those who went on to state how Nirvana and grunge is fad or went on to claim their popularity only on Kurdts tragic death, but decided against it. Instead of that, I will just write here my opinion on this.
Nirvana isnt just grunge. Grunge is not really a genre, as the bands associated with grunge have all their own sound. It's just another term used for the Seattle rock scene of that time.
Nirvana didnt just brought grunge/ Seattle scene to the forefront, they brought the whole alternative music scene with them. The way how the music industry works has changed, because the approach to independent alternative artists had changed as they for the first time got to dominate mainstream radio and charts without any push from labels or payola. It was a true music revolution in a sense, when people refused what has been pushed by radios, they turned on a mass scale to an underground independent scene and embraced the fresh sound of grunge bands.
Of course, there were attempts of mainstream labels to repeat and capitalize on Nirvanas success and thats how post grunge and emo were born, commercialized, polished and dumbed down for the mainstream audience. But the most important legacy of Nirvana can be found in the alternative music, on which they have lasting influence as they helped to shape the alternative and indie music scene and sound - their musical impact has been just as huge and important as their cultural impact.
That being said, I do consider hip hop and rap scene of the 90s just as important. Ironically, grunge has a lot in common with rap. Both represented some kind of rebellion against the system, frustration with society, both had rawness and authenticity. Some rap artists like Pac and Biggie do have similar iconic status and a cult following like Kurt, thanks to their artistry, way of life, personal charm, and sadly also tragic death. We can also trace Nirvanas influence in hip hop and rap of today, as many great hip hop artists are influenced by and incorporate alternative music in their work.
The alternative shift can be traced to concrete moment that changed music forever /SLTS topping the charts/ when Nirvana became the face of the alternative music movement, while the hip hop scene has more than one defining moment and the achievements are shared by more artists. That's the reason why I would personally choose Nirvana as the biggest artist of the 90s if I had to pick one. Reality, of course, isnt that simple tho.
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Originally posted by holocene
I'm SCREAMING at the user trying Marilyn ****ing Monroe of all people
Anyways neaux, but the most successful band of the 90's yas. Kurt Cobain is like a God to every 13 year old who considers themselves super anti-mainstream and this has been the case since like their debut
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Metallica are the most successful band of the 90s. Pearl Jam are also more successful than Nirvana and debuted around the same time.
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Originally posted by GlitterfiedCyrus
Biggest band, yes. Overall, they're up there with Mariah. A lot of people are mentioning artists that are no where near as relevant as Nirvana today, despite the fact that Nirvana ended in 94 and some of these artists still release music
Edit: Reading through this thread is the reason rock fans and pop fans should not intermingle.
The pretentious rock fans who will do anything to discredit pop artists as if Mariah's impact on pop/r&b/hip-hop isn't impressive or on the level of Nirvana's influence on rock/alternative vs the delusional pop fans who refuse to recognize that pop isn't the only genre in the world. Both as painful as each other.
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The edit
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Originally posted by Soapp
Absolutely and anyone saying no has no idea what they are talking about. First of all, most of the people on this site weren't even born when Kurt Cobain was alive or they were in diapers. I was in my 20's in the 90s, so I will educate some of you.
Nirvana crossed over and made grunge mainstream, they were the first to do so. Not only this, but they changed how people dressed, how people thought, etc. Flannel, plaid shirts tied around the waist, ripped jeans, and all of the fashion you still see today are by products of Kurt Cobain/Nirvana.
Kurt Cobain was a voice for 90's youth and ask anyone from Generation X (my generation) and they will tell you that Nirvana is synonymous with the 90s.
I see kids today wearing Nirvana shirts and I've seen Nirvana clothing sold at Hot Topic, Forever 21, and different stores at my local mall. When people think of the 90s, they think of Nirvana first and foremost. Anyone who is saying Mariah Carey of all people is delusional, she was like the Katy Perry of the time (except she had vocal abilities).
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Mariah Carey popularized melisma. Stop.
And grunge became a thing in the 80s. Look at Australia. Look at Soundgarden. Sure, it didn't really breakthrough the mainstream until late 1991, but Nirvana were far from the first. Hell, Ten came out before Nevermind. Nirvana are only the "face" of grunge because Kurt died. However, Pearl Jam put out better music and weren't one album wonders. Nirvana went 1.3M - 1.7M - 8.7M - 4M on Soundscan. Pearl Jam went 9.5M - 6M - 4.8M - 1.4M - 1.6M - 750k - 500k - 650k. And those are 2006 numbers because I can't find Nirvana from 2016. But Ten is at 10.253M now.
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Originally posted by Penny.
if i sound pretentious then maybe it is becos only on atrl would it be acceptable to compare Mariah's influence with Nirvana
she got big as a Whitney 2.0 & stayed relevant thanks to hip hop artists
but if u all wanna stay in ur little bubbles where only female pop acts are relevant then enjoy i guess
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Mariah is Whitney 2.0 but Kurt Cobain isn't Jim Morrison 2.0? And look how Jim was still considered a "legend" by rock fans in the early 2000s whereas nobody knows who he was now yet Whitney is still remembered.
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Yes. Madonna, Mariah and No Doubt had huge success too.
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Not when Mary J Blige exists.
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Originally posted by Eternium
Metallica are the most successful band of the 90s. Pearl Jam are also more successful than Nirvana and debuted around the same time.
The edit
Mariah Carey popularized melisma. Stop.
And grunge became a thing in the 80s. Look at Australia. Look at Soundgarden. Sure, it didn't really breakthrough the mainstream until late 1991, but Nirvana were far from the first. Hell, Ten came out before Nevermind. Nirvana are only the "face" of grunge because Kurt died. However, Pearl Jam put out better music and weren't one album wonders. Nirvana went 1.3M - 1.7M - 8.7M - 4M on Soundscan. Pearl Jam went 9.5M - 6M - 4.8M - 1.4M - 1.6M - 750k - 500k - 650k. And those are 2006 numbers because I can't find Nirvana from 2016. But Ten is at 10.253M now.
Mariah is Whitney 2.0 but Kurt Cobain isn't Jim Morrison 2.0? And look how Jim was still considered a "legend" by rock fans in the early 2000s whereas nobody knows who he was now yet Whitney is still remembered.
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Jim Morrison is a legend and is considered one by anyone who knows anything about music. Although you have an avatar of Britney Spears so....
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Another thing, what impact has Mariah Carey had? I'll wait
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Originally posted by Eternium
Metallica are the most successful band of the 90s. Pearl Jam are also more successful than Nirvana and debuted around the same time.
The edit
Mariah Carey popularized melisma. Stop.
And grunge became a thing in the 80s. Look at Australia. Look at Soundgarden. Sure, it didn't really breakthrough the mainstream until late 1991, but Nirvana were far from the first. Hell, Ten came out before Nevermind. Nirvana are only the "face" of grunge because Kurt died. However, Pearl Jam put out better music and weren't one album wonders. Nirvana went 1.3M - 1.7M - 8.7M - 4M on Soundscan. Pearl Jam went 9.5M - 6M - 4.8M - 1.4M - 1.6M - 750k - 500k - 650k. And those are 2006 numbers because I can't find Nirvana from 2016. But Ten is at 10.253M now.
Mariah is Whitney 2.0 but Kurt Cobain isn't Jim Morrison 2.0? And look how Jim was still considered a "legend" by rock fans in the early 2000s whereas nobody knows who he was now yet Whitney is still remembered.
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This embarrassing post...
Nobody says Nirvana was the first, they werent, but they were the ones who shook the mainstream, changed the music industry and had the most impact.
Pearl Jam is active band making new music, while those Nirvana sales come from backcatalogue. How can you even compare those?
Jim Morrison is a rock pioneer of the 60s who passed away in 1971, long before Whitney hit the music scene. Whitneys passing is still very recent. All three of them are remembered and sorely missed.
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