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Album: Lady Gaga - 'Joanne'
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Originally posted by J a y
Simplest version is that Stefani became a version of Lady Gaga that was too far from herself. It happens to a lot of artists as fame, money, power.. general music industry has an affect on people. You become smarter and wiser with business deals and it slowly but surely becomes a job whereby you're following the rules of the industry you're in, rather than doing what you love and it just so happens to be listened by millions of people around the world. Trends on the charts, the go-to producers, writers, radio hosts, TV shows.. pandering. That's not why Stefani became Gaga and wanted to be a musician.
Nor did Stefani have hopes of becoming a musician at the price of being sexually abused, manhandled, controlled nor forced by the 'world of fame' where it seems that anything goes and everyone is allowed to treat celebrities however they please.
Stefani genuinely loves what she does and none of it has been false. Yet it has been exaggerated and she's riding a train of "what's she going to do next" to try and gain more attention, followers, ticket buyers.. etc. After her disputes with Troy and others, she realised that she had neglected and almost forgotten what really mattered to her. First and foremost, family, and her friends. That must be when everyone's faves are most relaxed, they're not on Oprah being watched by millions across America. I think the general idea of what she's doing is that she just wants to be Stefani, not this person that's been told to go here, there, everywhere.. she's a human being, she has a family, she loves music, and wants to share it with her fans.
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Oh yeah, definitely. So glad she's in a better place now. And it's pretty obvious to see as well.
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Originally posted by Phoenixstar
Someone posted this on GGD:
@J a y Read this. Very lengthy but worth it!
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This is even better, props to whomever wrote it. At least we're all thinking on the same wavelength 
People who love Stefani, not just Gaga will understand and accept this change. Those that stand in between or stan for success, are going to really disappointed. It's not her. It wasn't Amy. It's not Lily. It's not Adele. They're just girls who sing.
None of the above (sans LG) have ever in their careers done something for fame / success. Normal women with a talent.
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The ReDONEsters meltdowns in here
Just delightful.
See ya never.
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Oh my god. That long ggd post. So many layers. Honestly I'm so blind when it comes to these things. I guess i don't spend time thinking that deep about her like that but it was a good read
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Originally posted by LadyGagaStan93
I don't blame them at all honestly. I just wish they would see that it's a new direction and not because of some 'creative downfall' that they're making it out to be. But whatever.  Gaga is not the creator of music and they will find someone else to fall in love with. |
I feel exactly the same way. I am so keen for what's to come, but I think the important thing is to have no hard feelings - if someone doesn't like a song, they shouldn't meltdown. If someone can't dig the new stuff, it's completely okay. If someone loves the new stuff, that's awesome too.
Also guys, don't worry if you don't like or love 'Joanne' when it comes! You don't have to. I think the only thing higher than a lot of our expectations of Gaga is the pressure we may be placing on ourselves to love it. If you consciously try to take it down a notch, you're not "lowering your standards cus she's a flop!!1!!! lol sucker", you're probably working towards engaging with the material to an even higher extent.
This is starting to sound like group therapy, so ima wrap this up, but before I do I just wanna say that one of the epiphanies I had a while ago was just the understanding that not every song ever has to be a radio-ready, homogenised, polished A-side that can be danced to and worthy of a high budget music video and performance and is accessible to a huge audience and can go #1 in 427 regions. If that's not the case, it's not because the music is bad - it's likely that there's something really special about it. So enjoy!
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Originally posted by HandsOn
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I'd prefer tbh 
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Originally posted by H-I-M
The thing with "Gaga" is that she had everything to become a legend. She had the sales (but that's a detail), the impact and the acclaim.
I completely understand that Joanne is making the music she likes, or at least thought she liked, but what's the point if she's not making any mark anymore as a mainstream artist ? C2C is the kind of change that will be remembered,
She admitted herself that PI was her aiming for another Grammy nomination, and I'm sure she'd also want VMA's and whatnot but if the reception for this album is as bad as ARTPOP critically, then it will have been another wasted Era that will quickly be forgotten...
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Well to be fair, I think a VMA is out of the question with THIS video in particular  It's way too choppy and flashy. Too much going on, not much focus, but the SONG is that way too so it makes sense.
I do think with this album she wants to regain what she LOST with critics for sure. ARTPOP was very mixed and generally met with "meh" kinds of reviews. And during the C2C era she actually retweeted reviewers who loved the album. So she does care about reviews, and I know she definitely did care about sales because she had a trainwreck breakdown all due to not meeting the expectations that were set for her.
Honestly, Cher had a HUGE ass gap of time without a hit (then Believe happened), she's still considered a legend. She's on par with Gaga for over 100M WW sold.
David Bowie, Gaga's fave, is someone who was critically acclaimed and although people loved his music and persona, they felt just like you do now when he changed. He's definitely still considered a legend even after his passing. He's sold about 140M record WW, but actually had a LARGE slump in sales and charting position after his peak.
Madonna, queen of pop, went left field ONCE, and everyone hated her. Came back stronger than ever and is considered a legend (hence being queen of pop). She has seen a recent downslide with sales, but she can tour the **** out of a world tour.
My point is that, you can have SO much more going for you than a damn hit song or hit album. Chasing trends is not the tea either.
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That GGD post
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Originally posted by J a y
This is even better, props to whomever wrote it. At least we're all thinking on the same wavelength
People who love Stefani, not just Gaga will understand and accept this change. Those that stand in between or stan for success, are going to really disappointed. It's not her. It wasn't Amy. It's not Lily. It's not Adele. They're just girls who sing.
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Yea.
I am somewhat scared that it will jarring for me when I will hear the album for the first time. But I know I will fall in love with it after few listens just like PI
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I think her fans need to grow up and expand their horizons. So many other generic pop girls out there trying to rehash the same old song. We all love gaga because she's different from her peers. I don't fully believe this album will be a complete departure from pop music.
I honestly just feel ready for this chapter. It feels like the right move. Lose some fans? So be it
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Originally posted by jxck
I feel exactly the same way. I am so keen for what's to come, but I think the important thing is to have no hard feelings - if someone doesn't like a song, they shouldn't meltdown. If someone can't dig the new stuff, it's completely okay. If someone loves the new stuff, that's awesome too.
Also guys, don't worry if you don't like or love 'Joanne' when it comes! You don't have to. I think the only thing higher than a lot of our expectations of Gaga is the pressure we may be placing on ourselves to love it. If you consciously try to take it down a notch, you're not "lowering your standards cus she's a flop!!1!!! lol sucker", you're probably working towards engaging with the material to an even higher extent.
This is starting to sound like group therapy, so ima wrap this up, but before I do I just wanna say that one of the epiphanies I had a while ago was just the understanding that not every song ever has to be a radio-ready, homogenised, polished A-side that can be danced to and worthy of a high budget music video and performance and is accessible to a huge audience and can go #1 in 427 regions. If that's not the case, it's not because the music is bad - it's likely that there's something really special about it. So enjoy!
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The last paragraph. I wasn't ready 
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Originally posted by Saskia
I think her fans need to grow up and expand their horizons. So many other generic pop girls out there trying to rehash the same old song. We all love gaga because she's different from her peers. I don't fully believe this album will be a complete departure from pop music.
I honestly just feel ready for this chapter. It feels like the right move. Lose some fans? So be it
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Same. I think that was her mindset when she started writing Joanne post-ARTPOP. We shall see. It's exciting
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Originally posted by LadyGagaStan93
Madonna, queen of pop, went left field ONCE, and everyone hated her. Came back stronger than ever and is considered a legend (hence being queen of pop). She has seen a recent downslide with sales, but she can tour the **** out of a world tour.
My point is that, you can have SO much more going for you than a damn hit song or hit album. Chasing trends is not the tea either.
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What was Madonna's left field? American life?
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Originally posted by Saskia
What was Madonna's left field? American life?
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When I say left field I really just mean that she made a wrong turn. That would be the sex book/Erotica. I can't really say American Life was left field tbh but it still sold pretty well.
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Originally posted by H-I-M
The thing with "Gaga" is that she had everything to become a legend. She had the sales (but that's a detail), the impact and the acclaim.
I completely understand that Joanne is making the music she likes, or at least thought she liked, but what's the point if she's not making any mark anymore as a mainstream artist ? C2C is the kind of change that will be remembered,
She admitted herself that PI was her aiming for another Grammy nomination, and I'm sure she'd also want VMA's and whatnot but if the reception for this album is as bad as ARTPOP critically, then it will have been another wasted Era that will quickly be forgotten...
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Receipt? Although it does strike me as (fantastic) Grammy bait. 
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Receipt? Although it does strike me as (fantastic) Grammy bait. |
She kinda toyed around with the idea when she posted those type writer pics.
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Originally posted by LadyGagaStan93
Well, if I'm forcing myself to like the song, then I only wonder what it feels like to force yourself to like an artist, when you've really only liked 2 out of their 5 albums.
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I listen to the old songs that I like. I am not forcng myself anything.
And you are not the one to tell me to leave and never come back. I make this decision ok? If you are annoyed by my posts, put me on your ignore list for once and ever. Or you can leave ATRL and never come back, you know?
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So the RedOne song will be on the Deluxe version,right? With his original production?
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TBH I know exactly what forcing myself to like a Gaga song feels like and that was Judas, Applause, GUY, and Venus for me. PI wasn't that at all, it was love on first listen. 
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The theory about fake fan shook me  Poor 2008-2010 fans
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Originally posted by HandsOn
TBH I know exactly what forcing myself to like a Gaga song feels like and that was Judas, Applause, GUY, and Venus for me. PI wasn't that at all, it was love on first listen. |
oops
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You guys are going off with these essays right now. *puts on glasses* 
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