Discussion: Is Islamophobia a real thing? - Page 11

AvrilLaQueen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s70h90LGYM

interesting

Cas

Of course that it exists. Who's denying it? But this is a normal reaction from people who don't want to be overrun and have their lifes changed by the Sharia law.

skankle

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Originally posted by fabbriche

Secularism or more aptly secularity in the general sense is the "state of being free from religious or spiritual qualities."

Well you said secularism, where wikipedia has this to say.

But then, using the definition of secularity just proves how absurd this point is. That page literally lists eating and bathing as secular actions- so if this is the approach you're taking we should probably talk about how secularism in fact saves everybody by letting them eat.

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You're specifically talking about "separation of church and state" and it is just a form of political secularism but not what secularism is all about. But even that one alone has caused more bloodshed than religion within the same time frame (i.e. dechristianization of France during the French Revolution, and anticlericalism in communist countries) There are, however, many more varieties, forms, types and examples of secularism. But as I've mentioned already, secularism covers everything that has nothing to do with religion. All beliefs, ideas and practices are a part of the religious-secular dichotomy. These two are already the most general conceptual areas that cover all human endeavours and anything can be categorized and divided between these two.

You can't act as if religion and non-religion are equally large categories in human life in any sense and thus the comparison is valid. I mean, isn't violence itself secular under this definition? No matter the cause or motive it's not a religious event unless it's a sacrifice.

Of course everything comes under a religion-nonreligion binary, but it doesn't mean comparisons between the two directly provide any useful information. Here's a chart on how Americans, a pretty secular group, but less so than most Europeans, spend their time:

3 minutes a day! It's of course skewed by the fact that the vast majority of people spend no time daily on religious activities in a America. I took a look at Pakistan, a quite religious country for comparison- they spend 70 minutes a day on religion(pg 42), so that's still roughly 23 hours a day spent on secular actions. You can obviously see that comparing religion with secularity is hardly a fair comparison and we can't draw any useful judgements from it.

A comparison between political/ideological secularity and religion on a political level just makes much more sense. The examples you gave legitimately demonstrate the violence secularism can cause- but I don't think something like, say, the Falklands War does, and I certainly doubt 93% of wars in history demonstrate the violence of secularism.

Communion

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Originally posted by AvrilLaQueen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s70h90LGYM

interesting

"I'm sure there's tons of gay men in Syria who'd love to leave."

So NOW y'all are here to welcome Syrian refugees?

What qualifies one to be a good refugee? If they're gay? What if they're gay but still don't disavow their religion? Are they now a bad refugee?

For people who hate "SJWs who do nothing outside of the internet," the amount of internet trolls and alt-right internet personalities quoted & idolized on here is odd.

fabbriche

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Originally posted by skankle

Well you said secularism, where wikipedia has this to say.

But then, using the definition of secularity just proves how absurd this point is. That page literally lists eating and bathing as secular actions- so if this is the approach you're taking we should probably talk about how secularism in fact saves everybody by letting them eat.

You can't act as if religion and non-religion are equally large categories in human life in any sense and thus the comparison is valid. I mean, isn't violence itself secular under this definition? No matter the cause or motive it's not a religious event unless it's a sacrifice.

Of course everything comes under a religion-nonreligion binary, but it doesn't mean comparisons between the two directly provide any useful information. Here's a chart on how Americans, a pretty secular group, but less so than most Europeans, spend their time:

3 minutes a day! It's of course skewed by the fact that the vast majority of people spend no time daily on religious activities in a America. I took a look at Pakistan, a quite religious country for comparison- they spend 70 minutes a day on religion(pg 42), so that's still roughly 23 hours a day spent on secular actions. You can obviously see that comparing religion with secularity is hardly a fair comparison and we can't draw any useful judgements from it.

A comparison between political/ideological secularity and religion on a political level just makes much more sense. The examples you gave legitimately demonstrate the violence secularism can cause- but I don't think something like, say, the Falklands War does, and I certainly doubt 93% of wars in history demonstrate the violence of secularism.

Eating is not entirely a secular activity. There are various religious dietary guidelines and restrictions prescribed for religious followers and various foods themselves serve many religious symbols. The same holds true for hygiene. In fact, many of our secular activities today once held religious purposes.

People's lives in ancient times mostly revolved around their religion. It's only very recently (not occurring until the last 400 years) that society has made to separate the mundane (secular) from the divine (religious) when the idea of secularism has really taken off and become the norm. There was a much longer period in history when society used to be much more religious with their behaviour and practices being dictated by their religions but still majority of conflicts, wars and violence throughout history were of secular reasons. The point I'm trying to make is that, contrary to popular belief, secular ideologies and motivations are much more inclined toward violence than ideologies and institutions identified as religious.

fabbriche

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Originally posted by AvrilLaQueen

they are still blocking your freedom

Which is typical of authoritarian regimes. Authoritarian governments regardless of religion either deny, suppress or restrict people's freedom and rights.