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Discussion: All about HIV
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Ive actually read somewhere that tho its theorically possible, there hasn't been any case recorded where a person got infected by giving oral or kissing.
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Commenting just so I can come back and find this thread.
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Member Since: 3/4/2011
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Originally posted by duybeeGAshantiGA
Ive actually read somewhere that tho its theorically possible, there hasn't been any case recorded where a person got infected by giving oral or kissing.
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This.
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Member Since: 2/2/2009
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
I respectfully disagree.
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I think your point of taking care of EVERY other person you make out with is admirable but not realistic and also not needed at all. No hard feelings tho because It's important to keep this kind of conversation alive.
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How do you deal if you cut yourself or have a wound or something and someone else wants to help you? Do you get anxious? Do you tell them straight away?
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Im very uneducated on the subject, so forgive me for sounding stupid with this question (I don't have unprotected or casual sex and only do it with a partner I feel I truly love - not that I judge people who do that. It's your body!)
But anyway, my question is....why haven't tou guys gotten majorly sick or died yet? I know, I'm ignorant of it. But I'm confused. I thought HIV eventually turned into AIDs, which there is no cure for, and that kills you. And you guys say some of you have had HIV for 8 years. How long will it take to turn into AIDs? Why is it not a big deal to you? Can you actually survive? Can you grow old? I'm really really confused. Sorry for sounding ignorant. Please educate me!
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by duybeeGAshantiGA
Ive actually read somewhere that tho its theorically possible, there hasn't been any case recorded where a person got infected by giving oral or kissing.
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This was in 1997.
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A woman apparently acquired the AIDS virus from deep kisses with an infected man, Federal health officials said yesterday. They said the case was the first reported transmission of H.I.V., the AIDS virus, through kissing.
In emphasizing the rarity of such transmission, the Federal centers said the case was the only known one involving kissing among the 500,000 AIDS cases that have been reported to it since the epidemic was detected in 1981.
The agency has long recommended against deeply kissing an infected individual and said that individuals who did should be tested for H.I.V. infection.
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http://www.nytimes.com/1997/07/11/us...d-to-kiss.html
I'm aware that we are more informed on this topic now, but the fact still remains, the negative partner deserves to know if the person they are kissing is HIV+. That's not meant as disrespectful to anyone, it's just airing on the side of precaution and safety. It's also a principle.
Right, I'm leaving this thread because several people are getting irritated with my views. Bye everyone. Hope I didn't offend anyone!
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Sorry - I'm on my way to work.
My PMs are open to anyone who wants to talk to be about this more. Discretion assured!
I used to not tell people in fear of people judging me but I really don't care anymore. I suffered in silence for far too long and would rather educate other young LGBT about the risks and the virus itself. Sex Ed for our community is soooo poor. Happy to help
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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What's the chances of getting HIV if you have sex with someone who is HIV+? Btw, this thread is so informative
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by J a y
Sorry - I'm on my way to work.
My PMs are open to anyone who wants to talk to be about this more. Discretion assured!
I used to not tell people in fear of people judging me but I really don't care anymore. I suffered in silence for far too long and would rather educate other young LGBT about the risks and the virus itself. Sex Ed for our community is soooo poor. Happy to help
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Seriously, good for you
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Originally posted by BenWL
Im very uneducated on the subject, so forgive me for sounding stupid with this question (I don't have unprotected or casual sex and only do it with a partner I feel I truly love - not that I judge people who do that. It's your body!)
But anyway, my question is....why haven't tou guys gotten majorly sick or died yet? I know, I'm ignorant of it. But I'm confused. I thought HIV eventually turned into AIDs, which there is no cure for, and that kills you. And you guys say some of you have had HIV for 8 years. How long will it take to turn into AIDs? Why is it not a big deal to you? Can you actually survive? Can you grow old? I'm really really confused. Sorry for sounding ignorant. Please educate me!
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HIV weakens your immune system, and not everyone is the same. Some people get more prone to infections at a later stadium than the other. It mainly depends on your genetics.
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
You seriously stop being so immature about this. This is an educational thread where people will have different viewpoints and have healthy discussion. I am not spreading ignorance at all and my aim is not to make anyone more anxious about the topic. My aim is to educate and have a reasonable discussion. Nowhere have I attacked you personally like you have to me.
You seriously don't know a thing about me so stop.
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Sorry buddy but you are kind of spreading ignorance because your statements do not really align with the wider accepted scientific understanding and literature - and passing mal-informed comments off as fact propagates anxiety.
You have already back-tracked on the "thousands of cases" comment, so I must ask: what are you basing your statements on? Anecdotal evidence / media reports are not at all reliable.
A number of papers have concluded that the risk of transferring HIV via "passionate kissing" - and not just a few kisses, is extremely, extremely low:
http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article....ticleid=379121
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/181/2/498.full
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9989543
The bottom line of current academic thinking is that the recipient's saliva disrupts the virus and any virus infected cells from the infected individual, ultimately minimizing its infective potential.
Plus, from a probability outlook, the first paper I linked mentions that less than 1% of studied health care workers who have been exposed to the virus by accidental needle-stick injury in a healthcare setting end up actually being infected. If a HIV-infected needle which goes directly into the skin / blood has less than a 1% chance of HIV infection then the chances of being infected via kissing is even lower.
For a disease associated with so much fear, stigma and misunderstanding, I think it is more than wise to call on the scientific literature. But perhaps this is my academic side taking over (I too study Medicine).
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by BenWL
Im very uneducated on the subject, so forgive me for sounding stupid with this question (I don't have unprotected or casual sex and only do it with a partner I feel I truly love - not that I judge people who do that. It's your body!)
But anyway, my question is....why haven't tou guys gotten majorly sick or died yet? I know, I'm ignorant of it. But I'm confused. I thought HIV eventually turned into AIDs, which there is no cure for, and that kills you. And you guys say some of you have had HIV for 8 years. How long will it take to turn into AIDs? Why is it not a big deal to you? Can you actually survive? Can you grow old? I'm really really confused. Sorry for sounding ignorant. Please educate me!
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I'm pretty sure it only develops into AIDS if it's left untreated. If you get tested and discover you have HIV and then get medication for it, it won't develop into AIDS. With advances in modern medicine you can live a healthy, normal life.
I think anyway, I'm not 100% sure.
xox
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Originally posted by B'Day
What's the chances of getting HIV if you have sex with someone who is HIV+? Btw, this thread is so informative
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That varies upon whether or not you are the insertive (top) or receptive (bottom) partner and if you're circumcised or not. Generally, you're much less likely to contract the virus if you're a circumcised top. Regardless, always use a condom if you don't know your partner's status. Condoms are extremely effective at stopping the transmission of HIV.
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Member Since: 2/2/2009
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What is also important is to not forget the psychological factor of It all. We can discuss the science and the statistics and the meds but people often overlook the struggle and the feelings of HIV+ people.
I was 18 back in the days.
Can you imagine how ****ing terrible It is to fall in love again, knowing you have to tell that person that you're HIV+?
When to say It? Waiting for them to fall in love too and piss them off? Or telling It from the very first date and get the boot before the dessert or the movie is over?
How will they react?
How will your mom and dad react?
Should I tell anyone? Will someone ever be able to truly love me?
Those are just a few questions that controlled my daily life for like a year after I got It.
It is pure hell in the beginning.
What It could do to your body, physically, is mostly a topic later in the process.
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Member Since: 1/5/2014
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What about oral sex (no ejjjaculation)?
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Daddy
What is also important is to not forget the psychological factor of It all. We can discuss the science and the statistics and the meds but people often overlook the struggle and the feelings of HIV+ people.
I was 18 back in the days.
Can you imagine how ****ing terrible It is to fall in love again, knowing you have to tell that person that you're HIV+?
When to say It? Waiting for them to fall in love too and piss them off? Or telling It from the very first date and get the boot before the dessert or the movie is over?
How will they react?
How will your mom and dad react?
Should I tell anyone? Will someone ever be able to truly love me?
Those are just a few questions that controlled my daily life for like a year after I got It.
It is pure hell in the beginning.
What It could do to your body, physically, is mostly a topic later in the process.
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I'm glad you seem to be over that stage now and can focus on enjoying your life.
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Originally posted by BenWL
Im very uneducated on the subject, so forgive me for sounding stupid with this question (I don't have unprotected or casual sex and only do it with a partner I feel I truly love - not that I judge people who do that. It's your body!)
But anyway, my question is....why haven't tou guys gotten majorly sick or died yet? I know, I'm ignorant of it. But I'm confused. I thought HIV eventually turned into AIDs, which there is no cure for, and that kills you. And you guys say some of you have had HIV for 8 years. How long will it take to turn into AIDs? Why is it not a big deal to you? Can you actually survive? Can you grow old? I'm really really confused. Sorry for sounding ignorant. Please educate me!
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HIV affects people in different ways as the 'amount' (load) varies upon transmission. I must have had so little because my Cd4 remained between 500-600 for about 5 years before they dropped to 400. Around then I chose to take medication when the recommended is far lower. After speaking with other HIV+ people, I realised the benefits for me and other people for me to be undetectable.
I'm very, very picky with whom I tell in real life and only engage in ANY activity with those that are aware. Random kisses and such I do not take into account because it's so unlikely, and I don't have cuts and such in my mouth, nor do I ever brush my teeth and then kiss anyone (opening gums, etc.)
It's not as scary as I once thought it was. And trust me, I wanted to end my life. I hated myself and thought no one would love me.
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Member Since: 3/4/2011
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Originally posted by Tutankhamun
What about oral sex (no ejjjaculation)?
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Also extremely unlikely/theoretical only. However, you can definitely transmit other STI's through unprotected oral sex, like herpes or syphilis, with or without ejac*lation.
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Member Since: 6/15/2011
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Is there a big difference between being circumcised or not when it comes to being infected??? I am uncircumcised so Im worried.
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