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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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We've been through radically conservative presidencies and survived. I doubt we can survive 4 years of Trump...
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I'd MUCH rather have President Trump (as embarrassing as that is) than President Cruz. But my dislike of Trump is so strong that I obviously would never really want him to win, lol, but still, far better than Cruz. Hillary's got this but she's gonna need to go all out and remind people of the things Trump did when courting his primary audience.
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Guys, conservatism isn't the only factor to be looking at.
Trump has zero qualifications to be POTUS. He has zero executive experience (and no, the US is not a business), zero legislative experience, zero judicial experience. Who cares if he's a bit more liberal than Trump? He has absolutely no ground to be making decisions on behalf of an entire nation, Cruz does.
Not every decision you make as President is a left wing/right wing decision. In fact, often times they aren't. While we may disagree on Cruz's stances and agree he would make a terrible president, he's still politically and diplomatically capable of making decisions for and on behalf of 350 million individuals. He has clerked for SCOTUS, worked as a lawyer in many fields, has legislative experience in the Senate, etc. Those are enough for someone like Cruz to be handling the obstacles he will face as POTUS and make decisions to keep the country and the planet secure, or at least, to a very farther extent than somebody like Donald Trump would.
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It's amazing how much I've flip-flopped progressed on issues like illegal/legal immigration since I joined here. There's been so many illuminating posts in here and other places on the website that helped explain this and shared their own experiences. I'm so glad that I have. Thank y'all.
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Bernie's rally in Baltimore (which population is 63% black)

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Originally posted by Radiance
We've been through radically conservative presidencies and survived. I doubt we can survive 4 years of Trump...
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Not in this current world we live in. Even the POTUS the conservatives love, Ronald Reagan wasn't a radical.
We haven't seen a radical anything for decades and that scares people. Trump comes off as that even tho he isn't actually like that. Even some think Bernie is too radical in his ideas, but that's mostly Republican scare tactics. A Cruz presidency especially after Obama would be one of the worst political transitions in US history imo.
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The thing is I actually agree with what Trump says at times. Although rarely.
I truly despise Cruz, and sees his policies as more troublesome than Trump. His "experience" and record terrifies me. Both are trash, but Trump is the lesser of two evils. Hmm a recurring theme these days.
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Trump being "better" than Cruz is a myth lol
I'd take Cruz the religious nut over Trump the pandering racist any day.
What's the worst Cruz can do? Force everyone to go to church? We'll live.
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Originally posted by King Maxx
The thing is I actually agree with what Trump says at times. Although rarely.
I truly despise Cruz, and sees his policies are more troublesome than Trump. His "experience" and record terrifies me. Both are trash, but Trump is the lesser of two evils. Hmm a recurring theme these days.
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What makes Trump more qualified than any average average American who just has stances on issues? Absolutely NOTHING. Running businesses doesn't qualify you to be president, not even nearly. Gosh, even the reasoning behind his stances aren't well-founded or comprehensive (in the rare occasion that he provides any reasoning).
Cruz had to comprehensively analyze and make tough decisions in regards to foreign policy, wars, veteran affairs, economic issues, environmental issues, global issues, trade issues, taxation issues, immigration issues, human development/resources issues, poverty issues, piracy and techno issues, and the list goes on for paragraphs and paragraphs.
The President won't just be making left-wing/right-wing decisions. The presidency goes way beyond that and Trump has absolutely no experience, background, skills, understanding or record to prove he's capable of handing what came up on top of my mind above or what would go on even further for paragraphs of the things a president potentially has to deal with. No matter what you think about him, Cruz has in reality been exposed (in different extents) to what the Commander in Chief would be facing in their challenging four, potentially eight, years of battling through judgments, compromises, resolutions, agreements, and eventually, outcomes & consequences.
Cruz is qualified to be president and would be a bad one. Trump is not qualified to lead the United States of America and would be a horrifyingly destructive and obstructionist head of state.
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Trump and Cruz are just like political quandary for me. It's not even pick the lesser of two evils (that's how I view Hillary vs any GOP candidate), but honestly both guys are extremely scary to me and the fact that they been leading the GOP Primary this election cycle is a cause for concern imo.
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I disagree with the notion that is trying to paint Ted Cruz as anything radically different from his conservative colleagues in DC and on governorship seats.
Yes, he's sloppy and certainly not popular among his peers, but he holds most of the stances they hold and fights for whatever imaginary values they have. He's a bit more to the right of the Republican mainstream but he's just another bridge for conservative politics to remain in the spectral atmosphere of the dynamic world of US politics. Nothing radically new to me.
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
Guys, conservatism isn't the only factor to be looking at.
Trump has zero qualifications to be POTUS. He has zero executive experience (and no, the US is not a business), zero legislative experience, zero judicial experience. Who cares if he's a bit more liberal than Trump? He has absolutely no ground to be making decisions on behalf of an entire nation, Cruz does.
Not every decision you make as President is a left wing/right wing decision. In fact, often times they aren't. While we may disagree on Cruz's stances and agree he would make a terrible president, he's still politically and diplomatically capable of making decisions for and on behalf of 350 million individuals. He has clerked for SCOTUS, worked as a lawyer in many fields, has legislative experience in the Senate, etc. Those are enough for someone like Cruz to be handling the obstacles he will face as POTUS and make decisions to keep the country and the planet secure, or at least, to a very farther extent than somebody like Donald Trump would.
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Agreed.
I think people are seriously underestimating the damage a Donald Trump presidency could do.
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Originally posted by Reaper
Bernie's rally in Baltimore (which population is 63% black)

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No one cares
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There is little distinguishing Cruz from Kasich in pure ideological terms. One is perceived as more conservative, but Kasich is really just a wolf in sheep's clothing. If you look carefully at the policies he has enacted in Ohio, you'll notice his concerted effort to take down Planned Parenthood and essentially ban abortion. Cruz is painted as more radical because of his government shutdown and tactics in Congress. He doesn't always toe the establishment line, which is why people see him as more radical.
The problem with Trump is not only his inexperience, but also his unpredictability.
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Originally posted by Radiance
There is little distinguishing Cruz from Kasich in pure ideological terms. One is perceived as more conservative, but Kasich is really just a wolf in sheep's clothing. If you look carefully at the policies he has enacted in Ohio, you'll notice his concerted effort to take down Planned Parenthood and essentially ban abortion. Cruz is painted as more radical because of his government shutdown and tactics in Congress. He doesn't always toe the establishment line, which is why people see him as more radical.
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Kasich being able to notice that climate change is likely man-made is enough to greatly separate him from Cruz and the other Republican candidates, in my mind. I still would not vote for him, but I appreciate him being able to notice something so deathly obvious.
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Notice that it's man-made and not take action on it? Don't buy, won't buy.
It's so interesting to see how the Republican Party has shifted to become a giant loophole during Obama's tenure. This obsessive and endless hostility, rejection and outright hatred towards him has turned even their most promimemt figures into jokes. They've taken the sort-of populist message that has been working for the Democratic Party and tried to merge it with their church-values and failed ethicals beliefs, only to fail and face ideological rejection from the masses. This will be looked at as yet another embarrassing shift that held people back in an era of history.
Conservatism is doomed, and I'm not complaining.
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
Guys, conservatism isn't the only factor to be looking at.
Trump has zero qualifications to be POTUS. He has zero executive experience (and no, the US is not a business), zero legislative experience, zero judicial experience. Who cares if he's a bit more liberal than Trump? He has absolutely no ground to be making decisions on behalf of an entire nation, Cruz does.
Not every decision you make as President is a left wing/right wing decision. In fact, often times they aren't. While we may disagree on Cruz's stances and agree he would make a terrible president, he's still politically and diplomatically capable of making decisions for and on behalf of 350 million individuals. He has clerked for SCOTUS, worked as a lawyer in many fields, has legislative experience in the Senate, etc. Those are enough for someone like Cruz to be handling the obstacles he will face as POTUS and make decisions to keep the country and the planet secure, or at least, to a very farther extent than somebody like Donald Trump would.
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That's very true. History also isn't kind of to Presidents with business backgrounds. Carter, Coolidge, Harding etc. all came from the private sector, and history does not look kind to them. But even theses people had some political experience before coming president.
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So... Rosario Dawson (Sanders surrogate) has mentioned Lewinsky when introducing Bernie....
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Originally posted by Radiance
So... Rosario Dawson (Sanders surrogate) has mentioned Lewinsky when introducing Bernie....
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In what context?
Should we get into the amount of lobbying for pharmaceuticals and private healthcare industry that has been done by some key Hillary campaigners and surrogates? Eh, it's not verry constructive! Also, I'm sure Bernie condemns all of these things, especially stuff like 'Democratic *****' and whatnot.
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
In what context?
Should we get into the amount of lobbying for pharmaceuticals and private healthcare industry that has been done by some key Hillary campaigners and surrogates? Eh, it's not verry constructive! Also, I'm sure Bernie condemns all of these things, especially stuff like 'Democratic *****' and whatnot.
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When introducing Bernie at one of his rallies. Very different from the lobbying done from some Hillary donors.
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Anyways, anyone with the time and interest, came across a lengthy piece criticising Bernie: https://medium.com/@robinalperstein/...699#.5rgzawkui
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