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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
Member Since: 3/9/2011
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Originally posted by Chanel.
17% in Iowa and 25% nationally is not "a couple of points." This is not a choice between two equal entities, but a choice between a front runner and an upstart socialist.
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Okay enjoy the paid corporate media poll results, lets see if this is the same result 2016 election. 
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by B94
Okay enjoy the paid corporate media poll results, lets see if this is the same result 2016 election. 
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Yes. I will enjoy the statistically valid poll results that DON'T over-represent the one and only group that Bernie has an advantage with, and that have - for DECADES - been the most accurate predictor of actual caucusing and voting. Thank you.
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by Damien M
Omg Benzene 
Can't believe you of all people is stanning for HRC. You're too smart for this!
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You've been consistently against her without good reason, so let's not just pretend her supporters are dumb.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
Posts: 71,871
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These lashings. Let's save it for the republicans! 
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
Posts: 15,589
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Originally posted by Chanel.
You've been consistently against her without good reason, so let's not just pretend her supporters are dumb.
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Nowhere did i say her supporters are dumb though. Benzene is just smarter than the avg ATRLer so i expect(ed) her to see through the smoke+mirrors
Aaaand, i have (valid) reasons for disliking her, but i'll probably auto-vote for her anyway (Republicans are beyond disgusting) so you should be happy, it's a vote for her regardless
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Member Since: 7/13/2010
Posts: 11,566
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Originally posted by B94
Okay enjoy the paid corporate media poll results, lets see if this is the same result 2016 election. 
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You do realize you use the same non-scientific polls/sites that Trump supporters use to show that "75% of people" thought trump won the debate.
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by Damien M
Nowhere did i say her supporters are dumb though. Benzene is just smarter than the avg ATRLer so i expect(ed) her to see through the smoke+mirrors
Aaaand, i have (valid) reasons for disliking her, but i'll probably auto-vote for her anyway (Republicans are beyond disgusting) so you should be happy, it's a vote for her regardless
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My problem is with the fact that you think there are smoke and mirrors to be seen through, rather than just acknowledging that some of us greatly prefer Hillary for a myriad of tangible, real reasons.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
Posts: 59,596
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Hillary going for twelve dollars was one of the best moments of the debate for her. Fifteen dollars for minimum wage is ridiculous. That's more than some people make for full time jobs. It's also strange how no one has called out O'Malley for parroting Sanders throughout the debate. Especially when he is less liberal than Hillary based on his own actions.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
Posts: 59,596
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Originally posted by Chanel.
I'm pretty thankful I'm a Democrat and, unlike one of "our" Presidential candidates, gladly accept the name of that party, and not after 34 years in elected office.
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And oop.
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Member Since: 1/8/2011
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I'm not 100% enthusiastic for Hillary; I like Bernie but he's not making it to the general, so I'm prob. gonna vote for her by default.
And as much as Bernie stans care about him, if it's up to Hillary vs. Rubio/Bush/Cruz, they'll swallow the pill and vote for Hillary.
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ATRL Senior Member
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Democratic National Convention and Primary Season Update
If anyone is curious, we have reliable poling data from Iowa, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, California, Florida, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Texas, Virginia, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Nevada, New York, Minnesota, Georgia, Connecticut, Arizona, Illinois, Kentucky, Louisiana, and Missouri for the Democratic caucuses and primaries.
In these 25 states, if the vote were held today and remained consistent with most recent poll numbers, the breakdown would be as follows:
Clinton: 1,814 delegates
Sanders: 867 delegates
O'Malley: 155 delegates
We can discount O'Malley, then, because he clearly does not matter. if we add superdelegate support as it currently stands (meaning we do not designate uncommitted superdelegates to anyone), Bernie has 875 total delegates and Hillary has 2,173, from just the 25 states listed here. 2,171 are required to win the nomination - two less than Hillary would have in theory from these 25 states.
I'll keep updating these figures as the primary season progresses.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Member Since: 10/2/2011
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Can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm getting close to counting out Jeb for my prediction of getting the Repub nom.
Looking more and more like Rubio everyday.
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Member Since: 3/22/2012
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I'm hoping more and more every day that Jeb manages to pull ahead, by some miracle. He'd be such an easy candidate for Hillary to beat.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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I hope Jeb wins the nomination because he's possibly a republican I could support  . I wouldn't mind voting for him actually
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Originally posted by RatedG²
I hope Jeb wins the nomination because he's possibly a republican I could support  . I wouldn't mind voting for him actually
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Bitch don't make me drag you too, you only saw the tip of the claws for Bernie 
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Member Since: 4/27/2012
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Originally posted by RatedG²
I hope Jeb wins the nomination because he's possibly a republican I could support  . I wouldn't mind voting for him actually
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No offense but you seem very easily swayed
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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RIP Bernie 2016  I'll just hold out hope for a Hillary/Bernie ticket 
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
Posts: 7,989
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Originally posted by iamvladd
And as much as Bernie stans care about him, if it's up to Hillary vs. Rubio/Bush/Cruz, they'll swallow the pill and vote for Hillary.
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I hope that's the case. Bernie, the oldest candidate, somehow managed to have a strong following primarily with younger voters that are more politically illiterate. Hopefully they recognize the differences between Hillary and Bernie are much fewer than the differ than the differences between Bernie and any republican candidate.
Even Bernie has said Hillary would be a better president than any Republican. However, after watching the debate this weekend, I can't help but think more that Bernie is running only to bring issues into the limelight, not necessarily to get the nomination. I think it's hard to believe that he would think that he, as an independent (democratic) socialist, would be nominated for the capitalist Democratic Party.
The debate was overall an obvious attack on Hillary, but I think she enjoyed it because she does a good job under pressure and it was clear she even wanted Bernie to attack her personally.
June can't come soon enough.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Espresso
Can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm getting close to counting out Jeb for my prediction of getting the Repub nom.
Looking more and more like Rubio everyday.
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Jeb won't win the nomination, but he's technically an easier sell than Rubio.
Do people actually see the Republican base coming out in droves to vote for the son of first generation Hispanic immigrants? We're being reeaaaaaally optimistic here lol.
I just don't see it.
What other white male choices do they have left?
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