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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Originally posted by Chucko
Why because CNN asked 10 people about his behavior? Who cares. He was still from the hood, he was dirt poor and made it out. I don't even care to argue about this because my point was how the media goes after him and ignores Hillary's lie when they have video. Hillary lied about being under sniper fire at the airport in Bosnia, there is video proof she was not, if she worked for NBC she would have lost her job, ask Brian Williams.
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Normally I agree with you, but a man that embellishes the truth about trivial things, will certainly lie about important things. Carson is a nut...he sooner he gets exposed, and implodes, the better for the GOP.
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Member Since: 3/1/2014
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Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)
Normally I agree with you, but a man that embellishes the truth about trivial things, will certainly lie about important things. Carson is a nut...he sooner he gets exposed, and implodes, the better for the GOP.
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I'm not arguing for Carson, I'm arguing for the same standards to be applied to him and everyone else.
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Anyone who believes that belt buckle story by Carson is an idiot  I'm sure he is just understandably exaggerating his life story just like everyone else in the world has, but he really pushed it with that one.
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Member Since: 7/13/2010
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Originally posted by Chucko
I'm not arguing for Carson, I'm arguing for the same standards to be applied to him and everyone else.
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The media does not ignore Hillary's life.
Clinton's 2008 campaign was partially derailed after a comment Bill Clinton made about the voters in South Carolina and how it gain traction with conservative and liberal leaning media.
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Member Since: 3/1/2014
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Originally posted by L/\DY G/\G/\
The media does not ignore Hillary's life.
Clinton's 2008 campaign was partially derailed after a comment Bill Clinton made about the voters in South Carolina and how it gain traction with conservative and liberal leaning media.
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Well it is a problem isn't it, the Liberal media really does not like her but what are they going to do? There is no one else, trust me if there was, they would be throwing her under the bus like they did in 2008.
Imagine if in 2008 this email scandal hit her, they would have eviscerated her because they wanted Obama to win.
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Hillary saying she marched to Goldmansachs and yelled at them to "stop what you're doing" (while collecting their checks)  Are the American people that dumb to think that was a convincing defence 
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by Chucko
This isn't a recent thing with Democrats under Obama
Democrats have lost:
900+ state legislature seats
12 governors
69 House seats
13 Senate seats
Republicans now hold 32 of the nation's governorships.
That's some legacy. The Dem candidate wanted nothing to do with Obama while running and lost to a Tea Party business man with no political experience. For the most part the Democrats lost across the board on Tuesday on almost every issue and at every level with a few exceptions.
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This is unfair. Democrats may have had a big loss but that was only because they had enormous gains in his first term, on the back of Obamas coattails. The drop happens to everyone, not just BO. Political scientists call it the six year itch.

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Javan, do you like Obama?
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Originally posted by Giselle
Javan, do you like Obama?
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Not particularly. I can see why he was likeable, but at the same time I think he gets more hate than he deserves. People make out that he accomplished nothing at all and have a habit of blaming him for things he had no part in 
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Member Since: 3/1/2014
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Originally posted by Javan
This is unfair. Democrats may have had a big loss but that was only because they had enormous gains in his first term, on the back of Obamas coattails. The drop happens to everyone, not just BO. Political scientists call it the six year itch.

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Except he started getting wiped out after 2 years and it didn't stop. That six-year-itch came 4 years to early. No 2 term president has lost as many seats country wide has he has.
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by Chucko
Except he started getting wiped out after 2 years and it didn't stop. That six-year-itch came 4 years to early. No 2 term president has lost as many seats country wide has he has.
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But as I already said, their initial gains were abnormally large, so there was bound to be a drop even after the 2nd year. The point is there is almost always a drop after every 1st term with the new president. Nothing unique to Obama, it just happened in different intervals.
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Member Since: 3/1/2014
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Originally posted by Javan
But as I already said, their initial gains were abnormally large, so there was bound to be a drop even after the 2nd year. The point is there is almost always a drop after every 1st term with the new president. Nothing unique to Obama, it just happened in different intervals.
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No they were not that large, they gained 21 seats in the House and 8 Senate seats but Obama lost 63 House seats and 6 Senate seats 2 years later. The Republicans actually lost seats on your six-year-itch in the house and the Senate, -8 and -2 respectively only to gain them back in 2014 +13 House and + 9 Senate. On a state level the Republican have been solid.
I don't expect Republicans to gain in the House next year it would be crazy if they did and they will have a hard time holding the Senate but I think they might do it. Everyone seems to only be talking about the 6 vulnerable Republican seats when there are also 2 vulnerable Democrat seats.
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Originally posted by Javan
Not particularly. I can see why he was likeable, but at the same time I think he gets more hate than he deserves. People make out that he accomplished nothing at all and have a habit of blaming him for things he had no part in 
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People act like he's the worst president we've ever had and that's not true at all.They have a twisted misconception of him. He's going down as a historical president not only for being black but for all the stuff he has accomplished with such a divided congress. It may not look like it now, but 50 years from now we're going to reflect back and think wow, he really did do a lot with the tea party out to impeach him, repeal Obamacare, etc.
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Originally posted by rivers
People act like he's the worst president we've ever had and that's not true at all.They have a twisted misconception of him. He's going down as a historical president not only for being black but for all the stuff he has accomplished with such a divided congress. It may not look like it now, but 50 years from now we're going to reflect back and think wow, he really did do a lot with the tea party out to impeach him, repeal Obamacare, etc.
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I think he was an okay president.
Not good, but OK. He failed African Americans big-league though
(he was basically a president for the gays and hispanics but lets not go there )
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I think he was an okay president.
Not good, but OK. He failed African Americans big-league though
(he was basically a president for the gays and hispanics but lets not go there )
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No let's go there.
Jews got total loyalty to Israel.
Gays got marriage.
Hispanics got numerous laws completely ignored.
The list goes on.
Blacks got....double unemployment, record #'s in poverty and welfare, stagnated wages, high crime.
He did everything for everyone else, but the group who voted for him 90%+ get to wait until the last year of his presidency for him to bandwagon #BLM sentencing reform that he himself is not even the main pusher of. But again, the black vote is not up for grabs so he could afford to wait until the last year to look like he's done something.
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
But again, the black vote is not up for grabs so he could afford to wait until the last year to look like he's done something.
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In all honesty, why should it be? Are black people supposed to believe Jeb or Ben would be better for blacks than the dems? How good democrats are for black people is debatable, but what's not debatable is that they're in better hands than they would be with the other side.
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Originally posted by Giselle
In all honesty, why should it be? Are black people supposed to believe Jeb or Ben would be better for blacks than the dems? How good democrats are for black people is debatable, but what's not debatable is that they're in better hands than they would be with the other side.
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No, but being flexible w/voting patterns gives you leverage. Look @ how everyone panders to the hispanics and jews (israel this! israel that).
Our current situation= Democrats take us for granted (cuz we'll vote for their candidate 90-10 regardless) + Republicans just don't care
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Giselle
In all honesty, why should it be? Are black people supposed to believe Jeb or Ben would be better for blacks than the dems? How good democrats are for black people is debatable, but what's not debatable is that they're in better hands than they would be with the other side.
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Better hands is debatable at this point. Who knows maybe Republicans would do a better job at bringing jobs to the black community.
My main point is that blacks should make the vote seem available. Show up to Republican events and see what they have to say. Rejecting any Republican right off the bat due to to perceived racism is getting the community nowhere.
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You have Jeb saying blacks want "free stuff", Christie condemning Black Lives Matter and Carson auditioning for the role of Uncle Tom. When they aren't straight up ignoring the black community, they're digging at them. What about that side would make black people want to listen to what they have to say? What about that should be appealing to blacks?
Hillary, say what you want about her, is the only candidate really reaching out to blacks. Actually meeting with the mothers/families of victims of police brutality, shouting out HBCUs in speeches (showing she's "down") and actually unveiling an HBCU 25B initiative, actually holding events targeted towards blacks, spending more time in the South than anybody else, not trying to silence BLM activists when confronted etc.
I wouldn't use "pander", but don't say no dems are reaching out to blacks.
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