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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Originally posted by Chucko
You are conflating to issues, the committee and the ongoing FBI investigation in to her illegal email server. I suppose the FBI is part of the right wing witch hunt? Obama had to okay the FBI investigation so is he also part of the vast right wing conspiracy?
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Her server was not illegal.
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Originally posted by Chanel.
Yes, I expect her to survive it. I would also like to note that Obama didn't himself put the FBI on anyone and doesn't necessarily dictate every move of the DoJ.
You really think they're going to find something and she'll be over, but I really think that's just wishful thinking on your part as a Conservative.
It's not that cut and dry and I guarantee the Clinton Machine will keep chugging onward.
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Not just a conservative but someone who hates Hillary with every fiber of their being. I didn't wanna be the one to point the wishful thinking out.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
ok. now that Biden is out, Obama will have to help Hillary out with the emails.
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I truly can't believe Democrats are just settling for Hillary...she is such an un-charismatic politician, and it's not like the Democrats to elect the "chosen one" of their party. That's a GOP thing. Hillary is like the Democatic version of Mitt Romney, only worse because Mitt didn't have scandals he had to deal with. 
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Clinton may be the strongest non incumbent (or VP) ever to seek the nomination. Her poll numbers are insane over Bernie now 
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Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)
I truly can't believe Democrats are just settling for Hillary...she is such an un-charismatic politician, and it's not like the Democrats to elect the "chosen one" of their party. That's a GOP thing. Hillary is like the Democatic version of Mitt Romney, only worse because Mitt didn't have scandals he had to deal with. 
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Why do they have to be settling though? Why is it hard to believe people just like her? She's been heralded as the most powerful First Lady ever and is the second highest ranking woman in US political history. Forbes just named her the most powerful woman on earth. Clearly people see something in her. Why is it hard to believe people want that as their President? She's not some random politician that people are jumping behind for no reason. She's Hillary Clinton.
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Originally posted by Chucko
I know I am because most of you are raging Liberals.
The leader of our country walked back those comments with his press secretary.
She does not need to be indicted to be ruined all it will take is the FBI to find criminal activity and she is toast. Do you really expect her to survive the FBI suggesting she is indicted?
Obama put the FBI on her why would he not allow the DoJ to do their job? It would look so political if he blocked the indictment. The GP would see right through that.
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Not really I am part of this "raging liberals" you speak of becaus I'm not a republican but I believe any criminal activity will have her numbers deflate severely as well. She better hope she did nothing illegal or she's done for. Not just for the presidency but her political career would be over.
But then again we are talking about the Clintons. They eat scandals for breakfast. They all (even Chelsea) have come back from political turmoil that others could only dream of
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Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)
I truly can't believe Democrats are just settling for Hillary...she is such an un-charismatic politician, and it's not like the Democrats to elect the "chosen one" of their party. That's a GOP thing. Hillary is like the Democatic version of Mitt Romney, only worse because Mitt didn't have scandals he had to deal with. 
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No to all of this. 
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Originally posted by Giselle
Why do they have to be settling though? Why is it hard to believe people just like her? She's been heralded as the most powerful First Lady ever and is the second highest ranking woman in US politics. Forbes just named her the most powerful woman on earth. Clearly people see something in her. Why is it hard to believe people want that as their President? She's not some random politician. She's Hillary Clinton.
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Now Giselle...if Hillary was that beloved she wouldn't of lost to Obama in 2008. She will lose to a charismatic GOP candidate like Trump or Christie. She's Hillary Clinton...has the personality of an icicle, and has more baggage than Mariah Carey going on vacation...that's a lot of baggage. 
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Not really I am part of this "raging liberals" you speak of becaus I'm not a republican but I believe any criminal activity will have her numbers deflate severely as well. She better hope she did nothing illegal or she's done for. Not just for the presidency but her political career would be over.
But then again we are talking about the Clintons. They eat scandals for breakfast. They all (even Chelsea) have come back from political turmoil that others could only dream of
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That is why I said most, Giselle would vote for her is she murdered someone on national TV.
At least you are rational and realize that she would be done if the FBI finds criminal activity. How hard is that to grasp? I would say the same about any Republican.
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Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)
I truly can't believe Democrats are just settling for Hillary...she is such an un-charismatic politician, and it's not like the Democrats to elect the "chosen one" of their party. That's a GOP thing. Hillary is like the Democatic version of Mitt Romney, only worse because Mitt didn't have scandals he had to deal with. 
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Everyone sees the utter hypocrisy of the Republican party. And the people who don't, aren't really worth any time.
Hillary had a private email server and deleted emails!!
So did Jeb Bush and Dick Cheney, who deleted 22 million emails from private servers before leaving the white house. Oh, and Colin Powell used AOL
Hillary is responsible for Benghazi! 4 people died!
There were over 20+ consulate/embassy bombings while Bush was in Office and 3000+ people died on 9/11 not to mention thousands more because of a senseless $2 Trillion war in Iraq
Hillary didn't accomplish anything!
Looking at Sec of State alone, Hillary put together the strict sanctions on Iran that got them to the compromise table, helped get China to sign the first agreement on climate change it had ever signed, and was part of the group of advisors that told Obama to go after Osama.
Hillary Clinton! Made $100k in cattle trades during White Water!!!! SHe's corrupt!
Dick Cheney turned a $250k investment in Halliburton into $8 million within the course of one year because of government contracts the Bush administration gave to Halliburton from the war in Iraq, and then made more when the gov't contracted with Halliburton to help clean up Hurricane Katrina
But-but-....um...Monica Lewinsky?
Ok. That's Bill Clinton. And that was almost 20 years ago. What's the point?
Hillary is not a real liberal! She's too steeped in Wall street!
Actually no. Hillary is more liberal than Barack Obama and Joe Biden. She has voted the same exact votes as Bernie Sanders on 93% of the bills they voted on at the same time.
The reason people hate HIllary is either a) they get caught up in the GOP dirt machine b) they're Republicans, and convinced of their own righteousness or c) they're idiots.
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Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)
Now Giselle...if Hillary was that beloved she wouldn't of lost to Obama in 2008. She will lose to a charismatic GOP candidate like Trump or Christie. She's Hillary Clinton...has the personality of an icicle, and has more baggage than Mariah Carey going on vacation...that's a lot of baggage. 
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First of all, I really don't know why you're calling her uncharismatic when she demonstrates more than enough attitude and conviction when she speaks and debates.
Second, do you really have so little faith in the United States and its voters that you'd say Trump could beat her in a serious, put-this-person-in-charge-of-the-whole-world election, based solely on the fact that Trump spurts out his words with charisma?
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Originally posted by Giselle
Why do they have to be settling though? Why is it hard to believe people just like her? She's been heralded as the most powerful First Lady ever and is the second highest ranking woman in US political history. Forbes just named her the most powerful woman on earth. Clearly people see something in her. Why is it hard to believe people want that as their President? She's not some random politician that people are jumping behind for no reason. She's Hillary Clinton.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Everyone sees the utter hypocrisy of the Republican party. And the people who don't, aren't really worth any time.
Hillary had a private email server and deleted emails!!
So did Jeb Bush and Dick Cheney, who deleted 22 million emails from private servers before leaving the white house. Oh, and Colin Powell used AOL
Hillary is responsible for Benghazi! 4 people died!
There were over 20+ consulate/embassy bombings while Bush was in Office and 3000+ people died on 9/11 not to mention thousands more because of a senseless $2 Trillion war in Iraq
Hillary didn't accomplish anything!
Looking at Sec of State alone, Hillary put together the strict sanctions on Iran that got them to the compromise table, helped get China to sign the first agreement on climate change it had ever signed, and was part of the group of advisors that told Obama to go after Osama.
Hillary Clinton! Made $100k in cattle trades during White Water!!!! SHe's corrupt!
Dick Cheney turned a $250k investment in Halliburton into $8 million within the course of one year because of government contracts the Bush administration gave to Halliburton from the war in Iraq, and then made more when the gov't contracted with Halliburton to help clean up Hurricane Katrina
But-but-....um...Monica Lewinsky?
Ok. That's Bill Clinton. And that was almost 20 years ago. What's the point?
Hillary is not a real liberal! She's too steeped in Wall street!
Actually no. Hillary is more liberal than Barack Obama and Joe Biden. She has voted the same exact votes as Bernie Sanders on 93% of the bills they voted on at the same time.
The reason people hate HIllary is either a) they get caught up in the GOP dirt machine b) they're Republicans, and convinced of their own righteousness or c) they're idiots.
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1. Bush and Cheney didn't hide theirs in a Mom n Pop store.
2. But the State Department delayed helping the consulate in Libya by several hours...then tried to convince the American people that the attack was because of a "video", not the real reason which was because the Terrorist's attacked it when it had bare minimum security. That rests on Hillary's shoulders.
3. How'd that Russian Reset work, huh?
4. You forgot about the millions the Clinton's made due to Hillary's State Department connections that got funneled into the Clinton Foundation from nefarious nations.
5. She's no Elisabeth Warren, either. 
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Originally posted by Chanel.
First of all, I really don't know why you're calling her uncharismatic when she demonstrates more than enough attitude and conviction when she speaks and debates.
Second, do you really have so little faith in the United States and its voters that you'd say Trump could beat her in a serious, put-this-person-in-charge-of-the-whole-world election, based solely on the fact that Trump spurts out his words with charisma?
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It's quite easy when O'Malley and The Ally Cats are her only competition in the democratic field!
Say what you want about Trump...but voters feel that he is going to fight for them. Hillary is more interested in getting that crown she thinks she deserves....it's her time, her right.
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Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)
1. Bush and Cheney didn't hide theirs in a Mom n Pop store.
2. But the State Department delayed helping the consulate in Libya by several hours...then tried to convince the American people that the attack was because of a "video", not the real reason which was because the Terrorist's attacked it when it had bare minimum security. That rests on Hillary's shoulders.
3. How'd that Russian Reset work, huh?
4. You forgot about the millions the Clinton's made due to Hillary's State Department connections that got funneled into the Clinton Foundation from nefarious nations.
5. She's no Elisabeth Warren, either. 
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1. Didn't realize the mom and pop store was the problem here. And so far, no evidence that Clinton was hacked, unlike the state department, the dept of defense, etc. Also, Cheney deleted 22 MILLION and turned over ZERO. Clinton deleted 30k personal and turned over 55k emails.
2. The CIA told the white house it was because of a video, so they said it was because of a video. Was Hillary and Obama supposed to contradict the CIA? And why is this such a big deal when they've already caught the people who did it?
3. It got Russia to go along with Iran sanctions along with China. You can thank Clinton, Kerry and Obama for delaying what would have been an inevitable Iranian Nuclear weapon.
4. The millions funneled into the foundation (an organization for good) were going there before Clinton was at State. Bill Clinton is a likable guy with a good foundation. The foundation has: negotiated lower AIDS/HIV drug prices for 10 million people, planned healthier lunch menus at 30,000 schools across America, and total contributions to the foundation are expected to benefit over 430 million of the poorest people around the World.
5. Elizabeth Warren is unelectable on the national stage, as is Bernie Sanders. Fact is, Hillary Clinton is more liberal than Obama, Biden, Kerry and Gore. She is the best shot actual liberals have of a liberal president.
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Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)
It's quite easy when O'Malley and The Ally Cats are her only competition in the democratic field!
Say what you want about Trump... but voters feel that he is going to fight for them. Hillary is more interested in getting that crown she thinks she deserves....it's her time, her right.
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Hes only been clear on 3 things
1. He will make Mexico pay for the wall.
2. He will repeal Obamacare.
3. He will reformat the tax clde.
I dont see how thats fighting for anything. Congress wont pass 2 of those three things. 
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
1. Didn't realize the mom and pop store was the problem here. And so far, no evidence that Clinton was hacked, unlike the state department, the dept of defense, etc. Also, Cheney deleted 22 MILLION and turned over ZERO. Clinton deleted 30k personal and turned over 55k emails.
2. The CIA told the white house it was because of a video, so they said it was because of a video. Was Hillary and Obama supposed to contradict the CIA? And why is this such a big deal when they've already caught the people who did it?
3. It got Russia to go along with Iran sanctions along with China. You can thank Clinton, Kerry and Obama for delaying what would have been an inevitable Iranian Nuclear weapon.
4. The millions funneled into the foundation (an organization for good) were going there before Clinton was at State. Bill Clinton is a likable guy with a good foundation. The foundation has: negotiated lower AIDS/HIV drug prices for 10 million people, planned healthier lunch menus at 30,000 schools across America, and total contributions to the foundation are expected to benefit over 430 million of the poorest people around the World.
5. Elizabeth Warren is unelectable on the national stage, as is Bernie Sanders. Fact is, Hillary Clinton is more liberal than Obama, Biden, Kerry and Gore. She is the best shot actual liberals have of a liberal president.
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1. Why was it hidden though, if you have nothing to hide.
2. Um yes...make sure your facts are straight, so you don't end up with egg on your face.
3. I didn't know we were giving Kerry's accomplishment to Hillary now.
4. Please...go read about how the Clinton Foundation has "helped" (or lack their of) the Hatian people...or the countless bribes, and deals that the Clinton Foundation got due to her being SOS.
5. No she's not...that's the only thing Hillary is really good at...pretending to be a liberal. She has no true political philosophy...just takes positions that are politically advantageous.
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Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)
Now Giselle...if Hillary was that beloved she wouldn't of lost to Obama in 2008. She will lose to a charismatic GOP candidate like Trump or Christie. She's Hillary Clinton...has the personality of an icicle, and has more baggage than Mariah Carey going on vacation...that's a lot of baggage. 
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Girl, don't act dense. She's much more beloved now than she was in '08.
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Thanks god Biden isn't running. He's a nice guy, but I'd vote Clinton and Sanders 10x over before getting to him.
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Notice how TikiMiss is posting facts and Rihsus is posting republican rumors/conspiracy theories 
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