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IOC asks for investigation of China’s gymnasts
BEIJING (AP)—The International Olympic Committee said Friday it had asked gymnastics officials to investigate whether the Chinese women’s gymnastics team that won the gold medal had underage athletes, saying “more information has come to light.”
“We’ve asked the gymnastics federation to look into it further,” IOC spokeswoman Giselle Davies said. “If there is a question mark and we have a concern, which we do, we ask the governing body of any sport to look into it.”
The IOC, which also asked the Chinese gymnastics federation to investigate, would not give details on what new information prompted it to act now, three days after the gymnastics competition ended.
Messages for the International Gymnastics Federation were not immediately returned.
Chinese coach Lu Shanzhen told The Associated Press they gave the FIG new documents on Thursday to try to remove the doubts about He Kexin’s age, including an old passport, a residency card and her current ID card.
He said all these documents were issued by various departments of the Chinese government and that he felt there was nothing more that they could do to put peoples’ minds at ease.
The FIG has said repeatedly that a passport is the “accepted proof of a gymnast’s eligibility,” and that China’s gymnasts have presented ones that show they are age eligible. The IOC also checked the girls’ passports and deemed them valid.
A gymnast must be 16 in an Olympic year to compete at the games. But questions about the ages of at least three of the athletes have persisted. Online records and media reports suggest three Chinese gymnasts—He, Jiang Yuyuan and Yang Yilin—may be as young as 14.
The IOC had said previously that it had verified the passports of all athletes competing at the games.
“We are not in a position to say ‘It’s good, it’s not good.’ It’s a government document,” FIG president Bruno Grandi said earlier this week in an interview with The Associated Press.
The Chinese women won six medals, including the team gold and a gold on uneven bars by He. The media reports include a Nov. 3 story by the Chinese government’s news agency, Xinhua—that suggest He is only 14. She was asked about her age again after winning the uneven bars title, beating American Nastia Liukin in a tiebreak.
“I was born in 1992 and I’m 16 years old now,” He said Monday. “The FIG has proved that. If I’m under 16, I couldn’t have been competing here.”
Earlier this month, the AP found registration lists previously posted on the Web site of the General Administration of Sport of China that showed both He and Yang were too young to compete. He was born Jan. 1, 1994, according to the 2005, 2006 and 2007 registration lists. Yang was born Aug. 26, 1993, according to the 2004, 2005 and 2006 registration lists; in the 2007 registration list, however, her birthday has changed to Aug. 26, 1992.
If the FIG would find evidence supporting the questions that the gymnasts are underage, it could affect four of China’s medals. In addition to the team gold and He’s gold on bars, Yang won bronzes in the all-around and uneven bars.
“We played fair at this Olympic Games,” Liukin’s father and coach, Valeri, said after they arrived back in the United States. “… If somebody cheated, shame on them.”
Added Steve Penny, president of USA Gymnastics, “USA Gymnastics has always believed this issue needed to be addressed by the FIG and IOC. An investigation would help bring closure to the issue and remove any cloud of speculation from this competition.”
Age falsification has been a problem in gymnastics since the 1980s after the minimum age was raised from 14 to 15 to protect young athletes from serious injuries. The minimum age was raised to its current 16 in 1997.
North Korea was barred from the 1993 world championships after FIG officials discovered that Kim Gwang Suk, the gold medalist on uneven bars in 1991, was listed as 15 for three years in a row. Romania admitted in 2002 that several gymnasts’ ages had been falsified, including Olympic medalists Gina Gogean and Alexandra Marinescu.
Even China’s own Yang Yun, a double bronze medalist in Sydney, said during an interview aired on state broadcaster China Central Television that she was 14 in 2000.
Associated Press writer John Leicester and AP sports writer Steve Wilson contributed to this report.
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Damn it, Brazil X Italy is not now. The game about to start is USA X Russia. Boooring.
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Michael Phelps has 2 less medals than your entire country.
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Err, you think I don't know that?  FAIL. :-/
Btw, shame on you, the chinese girl could be 14 years old, not 12 as you said,  No hard feelings.
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LMFAO, I couldn't care LESS. That doesn't change the fact that you USA people are BITTER cause China has MORE gold medals. Gosh, so CHILDISH. 
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some of those girls did look kind of young/had no boobs :-/
but that pic looked like on of Cheng Fei, who is most definately over 16 
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LMFAO, I couldn't care LESS. That doesn't change the fact that you USA people are BITTER cause China has MORE gold medals. Gosh, so CHILDISH. 
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We only care if they get more gold medals the wrong way
At least when we cheat (  ) we don't lie like....China 
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what the **** is wrong with some people on here.
its the olympics, its about world unity, fun, and friendly competition. not about bitchy arguments.
be happy for everyone who wins a medal, unless they break the rules, which has to be proven.
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We only care if they get more gold medals the wrong way
At least we don't cheat and lie (  ) like....China 
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Awwww, USA is such a saint.
Please check your history book about doping etc, the USA olympic professionals CREATED all that, lol.
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We only care if they get more gold medals the wrong way
At least when we cheat (  ) we don't lie like....China 
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Someone edited his post. Don't worry though, it still makes no sense. 
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Awwww, USA is such a saint.
Please check your history book about doping etc, the USA olympic professionals CREATED all that, lol.
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And we broke the rules and got punished didn't we? Well it's China's turn...isn't it? 
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oh, has one of brazil's athletes never been caught doping ?
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Originally posted by Shane!
oh, has one of brazil's athletes never been caught doping ?
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Was I the one acting as if my country players are all saints? I don't think so. Again, you FAIL. Gosh, just give up.
Btw, I'm leaving. Wasting my words with 14 and 15 years old children isn't really the way I want to end my night. Buh-bye. 
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Was I the one acting as if my country players are all saints?
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PLEASE quote me when I said that the USA is full of saints...
Mhmm thought so 
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seems like He Kexin is underage for sure
Liukin’s father is even more annoying than Archuleta's 
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yeh ^
they're good gymnasts.. amazing actually. . but they seem underaged.
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IOC: Despite questions, no proof China cheated
By NANCY ARMOUR, AP National Writer
BEIJING - Despite persistent questions about the ages of several members of the Chinese women's gymnastics team that won the gold medal, the International Olympic Committee said Friday there is still no proof anyone cheated and believes the controversy will be "put to rest."
The IOC asked the International Gymnastics Federation to investigate "what have been a number of questions and apparent discrepancies," spokeswoman Giselle Davies said. But all of the information the Chinese gymnastics federation has presented so far supports its insistence that its athletes were old enough to compete.
"We believe the matter will be put to rest and there's no question ... on the eligibility," Davies said. "The information we have received seems satisfactory in terms of the correct documentation — including birth certificates."
If the federation had found evidence that the gymnasts were underage, it could have affected four of China's medals. In addition to the team gold and He Kexin's gold on bars, Yang Yilin won bronze medals in the all-around and uneven bars.
Chinese coach Lu Shanzhen told The Associated Press they gave the FIG new documents on Thursday to try to remove any doubts about He's age, including an old passport, residency card and her current ID card.
Lu said all the documents were issued by various departments of the Chinese government, and that he had nothing more to put forth as evidence.
"If these valid documents are not enough to clarify this problem, then what will you believe?" an indignant Lu said.
The FIG has said repeatedly that a passport is the "accepted proof of a gymnast's eligibility," and that China's gymnasts have presented ones that show they are age eligible. The IOC also checked the girls' passports and deemed them valid before the games began.
Andre Gueisbuhler, secretary general of the FIG, said the federation would release a statement later Friday.
"For the time being, there is nothing I can add," Gueisbuhler said.
A gymnast must be 16 in an Olympic year to compete at the games. But questions about the ages of at least three of the athletes have persisted. Online records and media reports suggest three Chinese gymnasts — He, Yang and Jiang Yuyuan — might be as young as 14.
The IOC said previously that it had verified the passports of all athletes competing at the games.
"We are not in a position to say 'It's good, it's not good.' It's a government document," FIG president Bruno Grandi said earlier this week in an interview with the AP.
The IOC did not give details on what new information prompted it to act now, three days after the gymnastics competition ended.
"With some questions still remaining, we asked the federation to take a closer look," Davies said.
The Chinese women won six medals, including the team gold and He's gold on uneven bars. Media reports include a Nov. 3 story by the Chinese government's news agency, Xinhua, that suggest He is only 14. Asked earlier this week about her age again after winning the uneven bars title, beating American Nastia Liukin in a tiebreak, she said:
"I was born in 1992, and I'm 16 years old now," He said. "The FIG has proved that. If I'm under 16, I couldn't have been competing here."
Earlier this month, the AP found registration lists previously posted on the Web site of the General Administration of Sport of China that showed both He and Yang were too young to compete. He was born Jan. 1, 1994, according to the 2005, 2006 and 2007 registration lists. Yang was born Aug. 26, 1993, according to the 2004, 2005 and 2006 registration lists. In the 2007 registration list, however, her birthday has changed to Aug. 26, 1992.
"We played fair at this Olympic Games," Liukin's father and coach, Valeri, said after they arrived back in the United States. "... If somebody cheated, shame on them."
Added Steve Penny, president of USA Gymnastics: "USA Gymnastics has always believed this issue needed to be addressed by the FIG and IOC. An investigation would help bring closure to the issue and remove any cloud of speculation from this competition."
Age falsification has been a problem in gymnastics since the 1980s after the minimum age was raised from 14 to 15 to protect young athletes from serious injuries. The minimum age was raised to its current 16 in 1997. Younger gymnasts are considered to have an advantage because they are more flexible, and are likely to have an easier time doing the tough skills the sport requires. They also aren't as likely to have a history of injuries or fear of failure.
North Korea was barred from the 1993 world championships after FIG officials discovered Kim Gwang Suk, the gold medalist on uneven bars in 1991, was listed as 15 for three years in a row. Romania admitted in 2002 that several gymnasts' ages had been falsified, including Olympic medalists Gina Gogean and Alexandra Marinescu.
Even China's own Yang Yun, a double bronze medalist in Sydney, said during an interview aired on state broadcaster China Central Television that she was 14 in 2000.
"It's not just me. The parents of our athletes are all very indignant," Lu said. "They have faced groundless suspicion. Why aren't they believed? Why are their children suspected? Their parents are very angry."
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Associated Press writer John Leicester and AP Sports Writer Stephen Wilson contributed to this report.
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seems like He Kexin is underage for sure
Liukin’s father is even more annoying than Archuleta's 
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Luikin's father is her coach. 
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China does not cheat 
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