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Microsoft will be #1 again when Windows 9 come. They're not ready.

Exactly. PCs, although dropping in sales, will still be more productive than Macs.

Macbooks are pretty neat but PCs are a powerhouse. I don't usually do heavy on a laptop so I may consider a Mac but I find that hard to justify considering you can buy an 800 dollar laptop with the specs of a 1500 dollar Mac.

Also, Windows 8 has a very strong anti-virus base which definitely slashes any reason for a Mac. I'm not saying Macs are useless, I'm saying PCs are much more powerful and more stable than ever.

Big companies never consider Macs as their main computing device because of the price and level of productivity.

They slightly consider Linux but then again stray away from it and just use Windows because it's more productive.

Like for example, The British government PAID huge amount of cash for MS to give them security for XP for another year before buying ANOTHER Microsoft OS.

Another example is the Chinese government. Although they did not support Windows 8, they made a deal with Microsoft to bring them Windows 7.

Windows 8, as a hybrid operating system is still too early for its time but like 7, it will eventually expand.

Windows 95 for example, received HARSH criticism by adding the start menu but then later on became a staple in the computing industry.

Let's face it, It's cool to hate Microsoft but you cannot deny the influence and impact it made on Technology today. Until now they are still making waves on Tech. The Flat design is solely credited to Microsoft and is now being embraced by their competitors as well but no one ever dares to speak up for it. Why? Because it's Microsoft, the company everyone loves to hate.

Zune although a big bomb started a revolution towards Tech design. Microsoft is the king no one likes.

Slay me king

Apple Fanboys are literally the worse. I'm not a proponent of Google or Apple but I'm not going to pretend that Apple products aren't severely overpriced because of the "cool factor" apple has manufactured over the years.

I mean a 40% profit margin on Macbook Air, and 50% on phones

Microsoft has quietly been innovative. What they do for business technology is amazing and I did

not understand this until I entered the corporate world. Not one Apple product could hold a candle to what Microsoft does for Enterprise.


Plus Microsoft has been LEADING UX design for the past two years. Everyone is silently following suite but not giving any credit.

The fact that Microsoft was literally the first adopter of the Flat design trend that all of them use now is enough. I bet if it was Apple adopting it first, Microsoft would have been bashed.

Yes, Google!

whatever, apple will be back

People don't buy tablets to do school work, yet iPad's are used in nearly every classroom as a standard tool

Most Ultrabook's are 11" now. So no, just because you don't like 11" doesn't mean people aren't buying them.

The MacBook Pro Retina also fit in the ultra-portable range. Apple stopped making "standard laptop's" in 2012. They still sell the 2012 model, but they aren't planning on making anymore.

And the reason why they removed the original MacBook is due to them ruining the fluidity in the library. Apple only sell a variant of each product. They don't usually have more than 3 kinds of the same product. Keeping the original MacBook on meant they had 4 kinds of Mac. So Apple just removed the one that sold the least to the GP. (The still kept it on for Education for two years).

They can, because it's the software people buy the MacBook's for. And the lifespan.
If Mac's didn't have final cut pro, logic pro etc. Apple wouldn't sell Mac's.

But just like Microsoft, they can make profit. For example, Microsoft make you pay hundreds for a simple OS when Apple have only ever asked $20 (and now it's free).
Microsoft also charge for Office for another few hundred (some versions cost over a grand).
For example, Microsoft Project (for professional's) costs over 1k for a simple program. Just because they know who intends to buy it.

It just depends on how you look at it. Apple charge a lot for it's tech, but give you software for free and/or much cheaper. Microsoft don't control PC prices, but will make sure you pay more than you did for the PC to get everything legally.

And you implied Google weren't getting much money from free services. But everytime someone Google's there are ad's. So they make heaps.

PC's are only more productive if it suits the persons needs
If a person bought a PC to use Logic Pro, they aren't going to find it productive are they?

No one hates Microsoft, but as you said here (not me anyway):

YET, you already end up paying much more for a PC if you purchase all the standard software (The latest OS, Office Suite). Most laptop's come with the cheapest version of Windows, and you have to pay extra just to get the Premium version. Then you might want Office. Suddenly your 800 PC comes at 1.4k and that's before you've even purchased basic editing programs that iLife brings free (and possibly Virus software each new laptop owner brings home).

The only way to get a PC cheap with all the standard software is illegally.
In the end it all balances out anyway.

You also have a full Apple warranty for 2 years, and if the slightest thing goes wrong you just have to take it to an Apple store and they will fix it/replace it for free.

As much as I don't really like Apple (I'm Windows Team), they will scalp Samsung when the iPhone 6 drops, I see it being a HUUUUGEEEE sucess

- Most Ultrabooks are not 11", most are 13.3".

- iPads are not used in "nearly every classroom", that is both a lie and pure fantasy. Something
else Apple has managed to sell to people as factual.

- I never implied that Google did not earn much money from their free services, another lie you pulled out of thin air.

- Lastly, You would have to be really naive to truly believe the portion of this I bolded.


Anyhow, fanboy arguments are silly. I'm glad you stan for a tech company though! Ciao bello.

Coming for that #76 peak on the Hot 100 Smartphones chart

We're not talking about personal productivity but overall. If we talk about personal productivity it WILL vary. In the corporate world, they still use PCs and TRUST Microsoft with everything they do. Maybe they get their employees iPads or Galaxy Tabs but the main computing device is still a Windows machine. The market share speaks for itself. IF you could save more with a Mac then why don't businesses invest in them? If Macs have the same productivity as a PC then why can't they breakthrough the market? The 20++ percent sales increase means nothing right now.

No I don't end up paying more. Most laptops above the 500 dollar price range comes with Windows 8. Unlike Windows 7, the 8 does not come with numerous versions. They only have 8/SL, Enterprise, RT and Professional. 7 had Home Basic, Home Premium, Professional, Enterprise, Starter and Ultimate.

Also, we need to slash RT since it's a tablet OS so there's only three versions:

1. The 8/SL (The basic one or the "Home Premium" of Windows 8 which will fit everyone's needs.
2. The Professional (The version with added features for the daily worker)
3. Enterprise (The version for huge companies with a big number of employees)

So for example, I buy an 800 dollar laptop with Windows 8 pre installed, all I need to buy is Microsoft Office at $100-$150 OR if I have like 5 PCs/5 Devices I can pay for Office 365 at 99/year which gives me Office for the entire family. I like the second option better.

Of course the other software like Photoshop or Autocad needs to be bought but Macs doesn't give out free pro software to their customers either. iLife like what you said maybe a good software for people at home but professional would still buy Photoshop and other editing software for that. There are numerous photo and video editing software available for Windows for FREE like GIMP, Audacity, GoldWave and others.

Antivirus is basically dead by now since Windows 8 has a security system built in like Mac so no, PCs do not require Anti viruses now.

I don't know where you got that 1.4K but that's way far off. I didn't illegally download any software yet I built a machine for me for less than a thousand dollars.

Most laptop manufacturers give at least 2 years of warranty for their laptops specifically Lenovo.

I was referring to the average user, not business's. Most business's won't need a Mac.

& I got the price off the fact to you mentioned an $800 laptop. To get the equivalents of iWork and iLife legally that come with, the standard MacBook Pro (which is $1,199) it works out to be an extra $400 (It's $219 for the basic version of office) and then purchasing programs like Sony Acid (Garageband alternate) etc.
Most people probably wouldn't buy Sony Acid etc. but with a Mac it's included in the price regardless if you want it or not. It's become part of the OS now.

Yeah 1.4k is way off because I ****ed up with including the AUS price of things in with the US, which of course is always a few hundred more.

But it's around the same price, regardless if you want the software that Apple gives you. You've got it.
Apple never boasted about including iLife and iWork for "free" in Laptop's back in 2008 or whenever it was. It's only recently it seems free because you can upgrade for free. But if people deleted Garage Band etc. they have to pay the $20 again etc.

Yes they are. My old school for example used them and in my state alone it's the norm.
http://www.ipadsforeducation.vic.edu.au
There is also talk externally from Apple about different schools implementing them in schools across the US. This has been the norm for years.
http://www.macworld.com/article/2065...-to-do-it.html

You said that Google provides the majority it's services for free. It doesn't.
Nearly everything Google has worked on somehow get's them money back. Google may have money, but they aren't going to work on something for free. There are investors etc. that put money it Google's projects etc.

& Lastly. I don't have to be Naive. I know how the line-up works, I sell Apple products at my store

We get told why stock clears, what stock they want us to prioritise to sell etc. (for example right now we've been told to push iPhone 5C's and iPad 2's). Apple aren't a company that randomly sends you stock. There are lists of things we have to do, things we can and can't say, but at the same time we find out what they want cleared.

We were told to clear the White Unibody MacBook's in 2011 as Apple were refining their line up to three variants. The same with the iPhone 4 when the iPhone 5S was coming. The same with the iPad line-up before it's refresh in 2011.

The only thing we've been told to keep selling weirdly (and we still are) is iPod Touch 4th Gen's. For some reason we still have them, even though they aren't on Apple's website.

How does the above prove that Ipad's are used in nearly every classroom?

Also, how does Google not provide the majority of their services for free, when I am using 95% of their offerings, free?

You're trying to bend my words to support your argument. I was very clear about Google earning from the ads they display on their free services. Whether they are ad-supported or not, 98% of Google's services are offered for free.

That's like saying the App I just downloaded for free, isn't free, because it has ads. Or public television service isn't free of monetary cost to viewers because they show commercials.

- Google trading equity to investors to support projects has nothing to do with this, that is not revenue or earnings, that is debt.

Working retail does not entitle you to an understanding of how the decisions are made in Cupertino, if anything, it gives you a better understanding of the Apple consumer. If you would honestly apply that knowledge here, in place of fanboy sensationalism, we wouldn't have much to go back and forth about.

Google our overlordt, ha power

Yes RISE GOOGLE RISE

Bye at long ass essays. Anyways slay Googs slay.

It's called investments, partnerships etc.

So no they aren't offered for free. If they were, Google would be broke. Because Google still have to pay for Google to exist.

None of the services Google offer are free. It just mightn't be through the GP.

We are talking about how Google MAKE MONEY in terms of OVERALL success. This isn't about how the GP use Google as you're implying. It's about how Google operate as a business.

So don't call me a fanboy when you honestly think Google offer it's services for free. In a business perspective, someone is paying Google to host Google. Through ads, endorsements, sponsorship etc. It doesn't matter if it's free to the GP if we are talking overall business profit which is what this thread is about.

& no if you actually understood how Apple worked it really is as simple as that. Apple constantly refine their library and the MacBook was replaced by the MacBook Air, which had nothing to do with costs.

They also could've just increased the price of the MacBook. So saying they got rid of the white MacBook because it didn't turn profit is ridiculous, because toward the end the "original MacBook" was selling for $999 and now the 13" MacBook Air is selling for $999 and it has more expensive components in it.

So no, they didn't kill off the MacBook for profit reasons. It was literally to refine their library.
If they did, why would they replace it with something that became sold at the same price, while being made of more expensive material's and components.