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Discussion: TEA about Gaga's current career phase.
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TEA about Gaga's current career phase.
Someone on GGD posted that, apparently has connection with "Gaga's world"
Firstly, I really want yall to discuss as grown people, seriously. This forum can be way more enjoyable if you just discuss serious things Instead of dragging/shading and whatever else do the bottoms here.
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I am a fan and a long time lurker, first time poster, also connected to the industry.
Anyway, I thought I would address some of your meltdowns above and set some things relatively straight. I am not here to bash, just to give some info and also put perspective on things.
The reason according to my sources why the video is on hold is because, indeed, Terry and Gaga went all out. It's quite, er, suggestive.
The problem is that, you may have not paid attention, but there has been a major R.Kelly backlash in the recent couple of weeks. The mainstream has caught on, even though it's Christmas time, and the whole industry, although most people already knew of his reputation, the Village Voice expose with the court documents posted did a lot of damage.
Now, you could say that it doesn't matter, and to R.Kelly it may not. His fanbase will still support him, most likely.
But for Gaga, who has been re-building her image, to go from Venus to making out with a publicly known pedophile and abuser, is a huge risk. Interscope does not feel it is a good one this time around. Shock value is good, when it's harmless, in their opinion. Also it's Christmas-time, and the timing of a pretty sleazy video being released just as children are getting their gifts from under the tree....eh.... not ideal. There would be hell to pay from the media who would eat this up - Gaga getting it on with R.Kelly on screen - and all the articles would link back to his online mess.
The video is being re-worked. I don't think it will be scrapped, though. The Christina event added to the possibility of her being in the new version but it's not confirmed, as far as I know.
Now, as much as Gaga is a powerhouse of ideas, she ALWAYS had brilliant collaborators who helped her filter those ideas. The reason why The Fame and TFM did so well is because there was a cohesiveness to that work, both musically and visually. She deferred to her Haus, management and although still ultra active in the creation of the presentations, she had a TEAM.
Now, the team is no longer there. Vince is a great guy, but he was always a yes man to her, not a real partner. It was Troy who guided her in the recent years. The industry was buzzing after their breakup. For Troy to give up his cash cow was unthinkable. Don't make the mistake of thinking that Gaga could just break that contract herself. She does not have THAT much power yet. Interscope owns her hand and foot, it's a 360 deal. For them it was an Event Horizon, not in a good way. So for Troy to depart, and before the cycle started, meant that Gaga was truly acting out and taking the reigns and was impossible to handle.
I am not saying it's always a bad thing to walk your own line, but on that level it's very hard to keep an even head. I think this album and the whole era show a lack of cohesiveness. Even BTW, with its flaws, still had an element of 'that something'. People loved or hated it and still do. Some in the fan base are now waxing nostalgic about it. Most people in the GP just don't really...care.
Anyway, here's to hoping things will turn around and Gaga acquires a brilliant collaborator/partner/strategist in no time.
Oh, in regards to the music. ARTPOP is not a bad album. But it was overhyped, again by Gaga herself. When you tell people over and over how amazingly innovative and great you are, they push back unless you OVERdeliver.
By the way, speaking as someone connected to her world, the reason why most of her early songs are still considered the best - they were written by Gaga on piano and THEN re-worked into tracks. They were organic to begin with. Some of BTW and pretty much most of ARTPOP imo, was written over tracks. There is a big difference when that happens. There is a slight disconnect in Gaga's case because she grew up as such a pianist/singer. You can see the differences in her acoustic performances of songs starting with BTW because she was taking those songs and THEN making them acoustic, not the other way around like before. That's why PF was so amazing on piano and got her so many fans - it was an organic song written acoustically first and then made into a pop tune.
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What do yall think ? This is exactly what I've been thinking for so long...
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Firstly, I really want yall to discuss as grown people, seriously.
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apparently has connection
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The video is being re-worked. I don't think it will be scrapped, though. The Christina event added to the possibility of her being in the new version but it's not confirmed, as far as I know.
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Mess. Are they re-working the video all over again? When will they release this video?
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This is exactly what I've wanted to say about her. All of this sounds accurate. She needs a career intervention.
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Imma need a better source. This article makes me feel better because they at least know that some things need to change.
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apparently has connection
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Well your lost because the Info is really Interesting and It's probably the closest thing yall will get to the truth...
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Mess. Are they re-working the video all over again? When will they release this video?
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well the video was done, and then they fought about it I guess and now It's been reworked IDK ...
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The reason why The Fame and TFM did so well is because there was a cohesiveness to that work, both musically and visually. She deferred to her Haus, management and although still ultra active in the creation of the presentations, she had a TEAM.
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So for Troy to depart, and before the cycle started, meant that Gaga was truly acting out and taking the reigns and was impossible to handle.
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Agreed with most parts. She's doing this to herself.
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Well your lost because the Info is really Interesting and It's probably the closest thing yall will get to the truth...
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I'm sorry but this is as reliable as the guy that pretended to have heard Judas back in the days and posted fake lyrics.
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Good that she's re-working the video. I don't mind waiting if it is a GOOD video and she's not going to go all out with controversy like it seemed like she is.
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She makes out with R Kelly in the video?!  And her manager left on his own. Mess. He knew the ship was sinking.
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Originally posted by Mariano
well the video was done, and then they fought about it I guess and now It's been reworked IDK ...
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They need to release this video soon as possible while still has some hype.
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Firstly, I really want yall to discuss as grown people, seriously.
Then proceeds to call them BOTTOMS. LMAO BITCH YOU are a joke.
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But she's been working with Terry Richardson who is a known 'rapist' and there was always allegations surrounding R Kelly since before Gaga collaborated with him... The excuses.
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What excuses ? Are you stupid or what It's in Gaga's and Interscope's advantage that the video should've been released weeks ago... Excuse for what ? Obviously there is something happening about the video ... the song could've been top 10 already If the video was released ...
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This is actually a really interesting post and makes a lot of sense, especially in regards to the video. Hopefully Christina is featured and R. Kelly is scrapped from the video altogether, but that's a bit too much to happen I guess.
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It was a good read and i agree with most things.
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If this is reliable, then I'm happy they're re-working on the video. I was not impressed by the pictures we had tbh and needed the video to be less raunchy.
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Originally posted by SupahBass05
She makes out with R Kelly in the video?! And her manager left on his own. Mess. He knew the ship was sinking.
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Xhah he didn't left on his own... The guy is saying that Gaga alone doesn't have the power to split with him, so for TROY to also want to split, this means that Gaga was really hard to handle ... Obviously Gaga wanted also to split, she even tweeted DJWS "Now we can do whatever we want' But I guess she was wrong 
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