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News: New black sexist,homophobic pope?
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And NO.
Just because every religion (this isn't true anyway, since there are gay-affirming faith communities away) says Gay marriage is wrong doesn't mean it's actually WRONG.
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Originally posted by JonnyϟLightning
 Just because they were born in (Roman Provinces located in) Africa doesn't make them black.
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I don't think you understood me.
Many Middle Easterners are considerably darker skinned than the majority of Europeans. E.g., Asian Indians are considered Caucasian, but many are certainly not "white" by any definition that doesn't equate white with Caucasian.
Dating back as far as 186 A.D., we can't be sure or unsure that their definition is the same as ours.
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St. Victor I (first African pope) changed the language of the church from Greek to Latin.
He also was responsible for determining when Easter would be celebrated.
Gelasius I (third African pope) established February 14 as Valentine’s Day.
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Interesting read. 
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Originally posted by BnPac
That is NOT true. And there is no place in the Bible where it is written that God said he hated Gay people. There is a mention of God burning a whole city called Sodom & Gomorrah but that wasn't because peopel were Gay, that was because people will meet in one place and all sleep with one another (what we call orgies nowadays) and the attention was on the fact that most of those people were married thus committing adultery.
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Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."
Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"
1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
Homosexuality is clearly condemned by the Bible. It doesn't get any more simple than that.
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Why you girls acting like this is something new. The Pope is expected to be an extremely traditional religious figure. Yall expect him to come out with rainbows and play Gaga at church. Yall are awkward.
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Member Since: 8/23/2010
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Originally posted by primo.
Well, religion IS the root of gay hatred and the main text used to support anti-gay views, so it's not too far-fetched to side eye a gay person that openly supports it. I don't understand how any gay or bi-sexual person can support a religion that openly berates you, and prevents you from enjoying true freedom, in every sense of the word.
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Nobody said a Gay person should be Catholic, I never said that. I just expressed my concern about people not believing in God because a man misinterpret HIS education. It's just like hating Muslims or Islam because a handful twist Allah's words to corrupt minds.
And no Religion is not why people reject Gay, being afraid of difference is why they reject Gay people. They just find comfort knowing that they are supported by some preachers. My dad is Atheist and homophobic and I know a lot of people in his case.
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GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
The bible is full of contractions. I don't understand how it Christianity got this far. Anyone logical that reads it can tell you this.
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And please, stop talking about Africa as if it was free of sexual deviance.It is not.
If anything, putting a death penalty on Homosexuality is gonna make more people have closet sex.Sexual crimes happen EVERYWHERE
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Originally posted by Princedele21
I hope so, the first black pope. 
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You guys said the same thing when it came to obama
See where that got us now lol
I can see many of you cheering for hilter if he was black 
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Originally posted by BadBitch
GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
The bible is full of contractions. I don't understand how it Christianity got this far. Anyone logical that reads it can tell you this.
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It's very simple really.
The bible was written during a time nobody knew what was going on at all.
Back then they used violence to keep every shut who said something against it since the church was the head of a state.
Then like a century ago most people didn't have the possibility to access information so they were bound to believe what their parents told them.
But the reason why atheist is coming strong is because,with the Internet, we have unlimited informations that tell us that the world wasn't "made" in 7 days etc
Also you can always find people who fall for the stupidest crap
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Originally posted by BnPac
Nobody said a Gay person should be Catholic, I never said that. I just expressed my concern about people not believing in God because a man misinterpret HIS education. It's just like hating Muslims or Islam because a handful twist Allah's words to corrupt minds.
And no Religion is not why people reject Gay, being afraid of difference is why they reject Gay people. They just find comfort knowing that they are supported by some preachers. My dad is Atheist and homophobic and I know a lot of people in his case.
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I didn't say you said that. I just happen to agree with BadBitch' sentiments regarding gays and religion. I don't see how anyone can support a text that totally denounces your sexual orientation.
And religion isn't the sole reason some people are anti-gay, but it is the root of it. Mainly because religion has been used as a some sort of moral code for what seems like forever.
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Originally posted by BadBitch
Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."
Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"
1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
Homosexuality is clearly condemned by the Bible. It doesn't get any more simple than that.
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Good lord I'm going to hell. 
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Originally posted by BadBitch
Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."
Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"
1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
Homosexuality is clearly condemned by the Bible. It doesn't get any more simple than that.
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That is NOT true. And there is no place in the Bible where it is written that God said he hated Gay people
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The Bible is like Religion, it was created by men. But at least there is no place where they pretend they quote him directly saying such things. There is also a place in the Corr when they say women have no say in important matters, should always wear the veil and not speak against a man. I'm a woman but I didn't stop believing in God just because of that.
But this is a dead end anyway, I doubt we will agree on the subject. I think you either believe or you don't. I just want people to understand there is no whole package, believing in God doesn't mean believing in a religion or believing in everything written in the Bible or believing in the Pope.
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Aren't those requirements to be the Pope?

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Originally posted by J a y
The first black pope was Pope St. Victor I, who served from 186-197 A.D.
The last black pope was Pope Gelasius I, who served from 492-496 A.D.
These date so far back, whether they were actually black as per modern American concepts of the same is an open and probably unknowable question. Just as likely, if not more likely, they looked like generically Mediterranean caucasians.
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Both of those popes were born in Roman Provinces in Northern Africa, they weren't "black" per se. They would have had "white" parents. A "black person" is usually a person who is a descendant of Africans from the Sub-Saharan part of Africa.
EDIT: Nevermind, you understand that.
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sex abuse could not happen in Africa, on the same scale as Europe, because of tough anti-homosexuality laws.
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Originally posted by BnPac
The Bible is like Religion, it was created by men. But at least there is no place where they pretend they quote him directly saying such things. There is also a place in the Corr when they say women have no say in important manners, should always wear the veil and not speak against a man. I'm a woman but I didn't stop believing in God just because of that.
But this is a dead end anyway, I doubt we will agree on the subject. I think you either believe or you don't. I just want people to understand there is no whole package, believing in God doesn't mean believing in a religion or believing in everything written in the Bible or believing in the Pope.
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Then how do know what to believe in? How do you know that what you're doing right and will get you in heaven? How do you know if your sins are actually sins? What the point of following the bible and it's rules in your everyday life it's just a bunch of indirect quotes?
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Originally posted by BadBitch
GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
The bible is full of contractions. I don't understand how it Christianity got this far. Anyone logical that reads it can tell you this.
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That's because the Bible is the story of man's spiritual journey to understand his creator. When you view it from this perspective a lot starts to make sense. It takes many years to deeply understand.
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1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
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I did NOT know it said that effeminate guys wouldnt inheirt the kingdom of god in the Bible. 
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Member Since: 4/30/2012
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Originally posted by Fernando.
You guys said the same thing when it came to obama
See where that got us now lol
I can see many of you cheering for hilter if he was black 
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Dead at the receipts!

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