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Poll: Do Beyonce stans pull the RACE card too much?
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View Poll Results: Do they...?
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Originally posted by Mr Telephone Man
I think the point would have been better made if, it was actually more than one poster saying it all. Nicole says **** like this all the time, it's hardly indicative of a majority.
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and go back to the OP and check what this thread was based on
Your statement goes for that as well
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How can a thread be so long and be about absolutely nothing? The OP is clearly trolling to get Beyonce fans riled up.
Here's a suggestion: instead of bitching about people using the "race" card, just roll your eyes at the post and MOVE THE **** ON.
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Originally posted by RichGirlPlanet
You mean to tell us that people shouldn't generalize?
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Originally posted by castrobabytiger
and go back to the OP and check what this thread was based on
Your statement goes for that as well
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I think everyone in here has noted, it's not ALL Beyonce stans. Even the OP has said that, may be not in the original post but he said it, so the point you're trying to make is null. Not to mention, the people getting on people for generalizing, are generalizing...I mean talk about a moot point 
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Originally posted by Muggwa
Okay... this is a situation where it would be appropriate to play the "race card" (which is already a biased term BTW) in my opinion:
"Beyoncé was one of the most prominent black superstars of the early 21st century." Her race is relevant in this case because by emerging as a huge solo artist following the disbandment of DC, Beyoncé established herself as possibly the most successful black female artist since the Janet Jackson/Whitney Houston/Mariah Carey days. It is quite possible she's partially responsible for the later success of black artists such as Rihanna and Nicki Minaj.
In this case, it would not be appropriate to place importance on race:
"Beyoncé was the first black female artist to win 6 Grammy Awards in one night." Although this was an important and deserved moment in Beyoncé's career, it was not significant in breaking down any barriers, and reflected only the perceived quality of her music. In the past, the Grammys had been consistently accepting of both black AND female artists, and the reason she won the awards she did was most likely because the Grammys have always liked her music, and the IASF era was both successful and important for her career.
I feel like the second situation is something the BeyHive occasionally uses to make her accomplishment seem even more prestigious, when it's already impressive that she won 6 Grammys in one night. It's the same as "Beyoncé is the first black artist to have her first 4 albums debut at #1." Yes, it's very nice, but ultimately, it's because people like her music. That's it. Her race isn't relevant to that statistic at all.
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Originally posted by sailor****
I mean...yes and no. These issues are never black and white (no pun intended).
One could argue that everyone was on board to give Whitney a second chance. 
To me, there are times when race does play a role, like in the creation of a viable commercial image, but then there are times where it's just so unnecessary to bring it up. But all that has to do with individual thoughts and opinions -- NOT ONES THAT REPRESENT A WHOLE STANBASE! Like damn people. |
There are some exceptions to the rule, like Whitney being given another chance, but that was more of the marketing of a comeback for her. And there was also Natalie Cole who was given a second chance, as was Chris Brown. I'll even toss Janet in there somewhat because "Feedback" boasted her biggest digital single sales, and the album debuted at #1. But for the most part, once a Black artist ruins themselves in the public eye, they have to work twice as hard to regain their footing. It's about the lack of "respect" to diminish Black accomplishments when their White counterparts haven't experienced what it's like to be Black. Artists like Madonna, Britney, Gaga, etc don't have to make sure their music can crossover so that it'll sell. Artists like Madonna, Britney, and Gaga don't have to worry about their type of music not selling overseas because it's "too Black". Artists like Madonna, Britney, and Gaga don't have to worry about being the representation of their entire race. Artists like Madonna, Britney, and Gaga don't have to worry about having to walk on eggshells to make sure their image is spotless. Hell the media is just WAITING for Beyonce to slip up so they can tear her down. The fact that her falling down the steps in 2007 making CNN headline news is proof of that.
What people who live outside of the US and non-Blacks in America don't understand is that the struggle of Black artists is not as minuscule as people make it out to be. Janet has a song called "New Agenda" were she flat out says she was denied access to certain areas because she was Black - and this was at the peak of her career. Back in the 70s and 80s, America was still fresh off the Civil Rights Movement and White America was not welcoming with open arms. It took a lot of fight and struggle for Black artists to get where they were. Pop stations would not play Black records simply because it was a Black record. Hell the Hot 100 didn't even included R&B/Urban airplay in compiling the Hot 100 rankings until about 1996 or something like that.
As Praise Mariallah pointed out, Whitney, Janet, Stevie, Barry, and MJ are pretty much the only Black artists that have sold upwards of 100 million records. Now let's compare that to the White artists that have sold that much and more. I'm sure you can name 10 just off the top of your head.
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Originally posted by Mr Telephone Man
I think everyone in here has noted, it's not ALL Beyonce stans. Even the OP has said that, may be not in the original post but he said it, so the point you're trying to make is null. Not to mention, the people getting on people for generalizing, are generalizing...I mean talk about a moot point |
But if the OP is basing it on a generalization, then couldn't your party among others be accused for the exact same thing, rendering his initial point moot?
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Member Since: 12/10/2011
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Originally posted by Mr Telephone Man
Sweetheart it was a joke, posted in the former the Femme Fatale thread as a joke. And you know good and well nothing was serious about it. It was to display the sheer ridiculousness in the practice. And it's not really the norm if the record was previously held, or held by non white artists  |
Do you not understand that "mockery" and "joke" are one in the same?
I couldn't care less where it was posted first, the fact of the matter is, it was done as a means of imitation. It backfired because it made no sense.
And the only thing ridiculous is the idiot who thought it was clever enough to font.
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
There are some exceptions to the rule, like Whitney being given another chance, but that was more of the marketing of a comeback for her. And there was also Natalie Cole who was given a second chance, as was Chris Brown. I'll even toss Janet in there somewhat because "Feedback" boasted her biggest digital single sales, and the album debuted at #1. But for the most part, once a Black artist ruins themselves in the public eye, they have to work twice as hard to regain their footing. It's about the lack of "respect" to diminish Black accomplishments when their White counterparts haven't experienced what it's like to be Black. Artists like Madonna, Britney, Gaga, etc don't have to make sure their music can crossover so that it'll sell. Artists like Madonna, Britney, and Gaga don't have to worry about their type of music not selling overseas because it's "too Black". Artists like Madonna, Britney, and Gaga don't have to worry about being the representation of their entire race. Artists like Madonna, Britney, and Gaga don't have to worry about having to walk on eggshells to make sure their image is spotless. Hell the media is just WAITING for Beyonce to slip up so they can tear her down. The fact that her falling down the steps in 2007 making CNN headline news is proof of that.
What people who live outside of the US and non-Blacks in America don't understand is that the struggle of Black artists is not as minuscule as people make it out to be. Janet has a song called "New Agenda" were she flat out says she was denied access to certain areas because she was Black - and this was at the peak of her career. Back in the 70s and 80s, America was still fresh off the Civil Rights Movement and White America was not welcoming with open arms. It took a lot of fight and struggle for Black artists to get where they were. Pop stations would not play Black records simply because it was a Black record. Hell the Hot 100 didn't even included R&B/Urban airplay in compiling the Hot 100 rankings until about 1996 or something like that.
As Praise Mariallah pointed out, Whitney, Janet, Stevie, Barry, and MJ are pretty much the only Black artists that have sold upwards of 100 million records. Now let's compare that to the White artists that have sold that much and more. I'm sure you can name 10 just off the top of your head.
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If it made no sense to you, then my dear, I'm not sure who is the idiot in this situation
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There would be no race card to pull if there were no racism. A lot of popstars get hate, but the vitriol directed at Beyonce is crazy. Beyonce shows up, shuts up, and sings.
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Member Since: 12/10/2011
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Originally posted by Mr Telephone Man
If it made no sense to you, then my dear, I'm not sure who is the idiot in this situation
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No, it makes no sense because blacks make up less than 20% of the population.
And even less of the music industry.
And even less when we're narrowing it down to pop music & crossover acts.
I think one of us has a problem with reading comprehension and simple statistics.
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The amount of nonsensical reports coming from this thread...
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